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I'm in Chicago (in a neighborhood close to downtown) and in previous years I'd hardly ever seen any fireflies. This year, they're everywhere -- in parks and eve
by wenc 6y ago
I'm in Chicago (in a neighborhood close to downtown) and in previous years I'd hardly ever seen any fireflies. This year, they're everywhere -- in parks and even in trees on neighborhood streets.
I understand fireflies are sensitive to light pollution. I can't imagine Chicago's any different from other major cities. COVID has people staying home a lot more but that has nothing to do with street lighting. I wonder what's going on.
I do think that living organisms are extraordinarily adaptable if the changes are gradual and bounded. Most of us have this idea that an ecosystem is this delicate and fragile thing, but nature actually has a lot of robustness and redundancies built-in (which are inefficient but increase chances of group survival).
- cmrdporcupine 6y agoWe live rural southern Ontario and fireflies are usually just a single weekend or so at the end of June or beginning of July. But this year they went on for almost two months. They only just stopped about a week ago. I'm not sure why it was a good season for them. Like you say, traffic, lighting, pesticide sprays on farms, all really the same despite COVID. Reduced air traffic I don't think would have an affect? Even after I sprayed my vineyard with insecticide to deal with japanese beetles they were fine, and continued to prosper in and around there. It may just be that we've had an unusually hot dry year, I assume where you have as well. Maybe that's advantageous for them somehow?
- nashalo_nighly 6y agoI feel that I hear people say « we’re having a unusually hot dry year » every year...
- Izkata 6y agoOn that note I just did a Google search for "more fireflies this year" and got news articles saying as much from 2018, 2019, and 2020.
- hinkley 6y agoIt's possible that some policy changes are working. One of my favorite memories of cycling through the midwest in the early 90's was watching the redwing blackbird population slowly recover.
- kdazzle 6y agoWouldn’t have been a good memory if you were _running_ through the midwest. A good chunk of the summer, they dive-bomb anyone who looks at their bush funny. Those birds are my personal nemeses - but they’re winning.
- b1uec4ctus 6y agoOn that note i just did a Google search for "less fireflies this year" and got news articles saying as much from 2018, 2019, and 2020...
- Wowfunhappy 6y agoWell, we really are in many parts of the world due to Climate Change. If it keeps getting worse, it's always unusual compared to the past...
- cmrdporcupine 6y agoIn the upper st lawrence / great lakes basin it's really becoming more and more erratic. More ice storms, more drastic swings in the winter, lower snowfall some years, more droughts in some summers, more record rainfalls in others, etc. It's a recognizable change even in the 25 years I've lived here.
- cmrdporcupine 6y agoMaybe, but last year was wet and cool, this year heat wave and drought. The great lakes are still up near their record water levels though (after last year and the year before), whereas a few years ago they were at record lows.
- read_if_gay_ 6y agoWell, this year we for one don't, in fact we're having the exact opposite, but last year we did have a hot year and everyone said it's definitely climate change. I think we're not yet at the point where we can feel it, we're just projecting.
- ben_w 6y agoThe personal subjective feeling at this point is fewer places having snowy winters and more frequent and severe heatwaves — the phrase “9 of the hottest years on record were in the last decade” being in the news most (or all?) years since the late 1990s. Most individual people won’t feel the change that’s happened over their lifetime unless they’re wondering why it doesn’t snow any more or how they ever managed without air conditioning; it shows up in higher costs for national-scale-multi-year weather damage or crop and fishing productivity. And of course, this is a global rather than local effect, so some places have more change than others. My first trip to the USA was the 2014/15 winter when there was simultaneously record cold on the Atlantic coast and record warm on the Pacific coast.
- cmrdporcupine 6y agoThose of us into winter sports are keenly conscious of the winter weather patterns, in a way the bulk of the population is not. Snow in southern Ontario for example has always been unreliable, with rain and snow mixes common, but snowfall is getting much much less reliable.
- ori_b 6y agoThe last 5 years have been the hottest years on record, so...
- Angostura 6y agoPeople always complain about this being an unusually hot summer. Personally, I’m thinking of it as a summer i will look back upon as deliciously cool.
- eirini1 6y agoi mean, at least where I live many records about average and max temperature have been broken 3 years in a row now. I suppose if this continues it will actually start to be not unusual for this to happen.
- joecool1029 6y ago> We live rural southern Ontario and fireflies are usually just a single weekend or so at the end of June or beginning of July. But this year they went on for almost two months. They only just stopped about a week ago. I wonder if this is cyclical behavior. We had a year like that last year down in NJ. This year it was back to maybe only a week. I live in the west part of the state surrounded by parkland. Rainfall was the only thing that was dramatically different this year. Last year was extremely wet spring and early summer (when they appeared) followed by an extremely dry end of summer into fall. This year we've had average rain in almost every month. The rain evidence isn't anecdotal, I have a state rainfall gauge a couple miles down the road from me with records going back at least a few decades.
- natmaka 6y ago“firefly boom”! In Michigan in 2018: https://www.michiganradio.org/post/firefly-boom-lighting-michigan-backyards-summer https://www.michiganradio.org/post/firefly-boom-lighting-mic...
- take_a_breath 6y agoI'm seeing the same thing in my Chicago neighborhood. We just had our alley lights changed to the new LEDs, maybe that has an impact?
- tornquist 6y agoThey're changing the lights all over the city. You can see the stars again. I can see way more stars now than 5 years ago.
- joezydeco 6y agoI've noticed the uptick in fireflies too, but I attributed it to the mild winter we had compared to the deep freeze of 2018-2019. Spring was also warm and wet very early. We also had the sub-Brood XIII cicadas launch out in the western suburbs which was insane. They came early and they came out in huge numbers.
- Ma8ee 6y agoEcosystems are delicate and fragile. But if you destroy one, there’s a good chance it very soon will be replaced with a new one, where the new niches are occupied by different species. At first it will be species that that aren’t very specialised, like rats and cockroaches. But after just a few million years you might have something as diverse and rich as the system you destroyed.
- hinkley 6y agoI don't want highly specialized pigeons and rats, thank you. And at any rate, specialization only works if the problems stay relatively stable, or temporary. If we aren't stopped/don't stop ourselves we will keep inventing new insults every ten years and nothing can adapt to anywhere near that rate of change. You're also forgetting the Carboniferous period. It took 50 million years for anything to puzzle out how to benefit from surplus lignin. In 50 million years are we going to be around? In 50 million years is anyone going to remember that Alpha Centauri is a system humans used to live in (before we used it up)?
- golergka 6y agoCould they also experience population oscillations, like locusts or other similar species?
- enobrev 6y agoI'm also in Chicago. I've noticed the same. We got those new LED street-lights last autumn and I was wondering if that had something to do with it.
- robohoe 6y agoSame here in the Chicagoland suburbs....nonstop fireflies all evening long. Quite a beautiful sight.
- closeparen 6y agoChicago used to be orange at night, now it's blue. I wonder if the color temperature and intensity changes in the shift to LED street lighting played a role. They certainly do in human sleep.
- drums8787 6y agoCould it be that because of COVID you have time to pay more attention? I wonder that sometimes about things I've "noticed" during the past 6 months. Maybe it accounts for some of it at least.
- ryaan_anthony 6y agoJust wait til you get lantern flies, they're no where near as cool.
- amelius 6y agoHow many bugs are on your car's windshield/grille, versus 20 years ago?
- robk 6y agoHow much more aerodynamic is your car now versus then?
- cycomanic 6y agoActually average CdA (drag area) would certainly have gone up in most parts of the world due to SUVs becoming popular. Looking at values on Wikipedia [1] definitely does not show an obvious reduction over the the last 20 years. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficient https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_drag_coefficient
- raarts 6y agoThere's also memory. I remember when driving at night 35 years ago I saw a lot more insects in my headlights than I see these days. The difference is very noticeable. There definitely more to it than aerodynamics.
- esarbe 6y agoThis does not seem to have any influence. Even with 'oldtimers' you get less squashed bugs nowadays. Even accounting for this, there is sufficient evidence for a significant drop in insect populations. While it's hard to have exact numbers, the estimations in decline of population range from 70% to 90% since the 1980. [1] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ece3.5236 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ece3.5236
- hef19898 6y agoI remember that a couple of years ago, there was a study that was based on squashed bugs on licence plates. Basically they used the standardized surface of the plates to measure the bugs in a certain area. No idea what came from it.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 6y ago>I do think that living organisms are extraordinarily adaptable if the changes are gradual and bounded. Most of us have this idea that an ecosystem is this delicate and fragile thing, but nature actually has a lot of robustness and redundancies built-in (which are inefficient but increase chances of group survival). Yet, the vast majority of scientists who study ecosystems disagree: https://ipbes.net/sites/default/files/ipbes_7_10_add.1_en_1.pdf https://ipbes.net/sites/default/files/ipbes_7_10_add.1_en_1.... More at https://ipbes.net/global-assessment https://ipbes.net/global-assessment