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Coronavirus ravages California’s Central Valley, following a cruel familiar path
- throwanem 6y agohttps://archive.is/2op0w https://archive.is/2op0w
- tzs 6y agoFor those with Apple News+, just visit the URL in Safari on iPad or iPhone, hit the "share" icon, and share with News+ to view the story there. LA Times is included in News+. This also works with the Wall Street Journal. Note: this only works in mobile News+. It does not work on a Mac. Sometimes you can just open the newspaper in question from News+ on a Mac and simply find the story, but in this case I didn't see the story. PS: you have to actually visit the URL in Safari. If you long tap on the link on HN to bring up the actions menu there is a share option there, but News+ is missing. News+ is only an option for sharing the URL Safari is actually on.
- eddyg 6y agoWow. I didn’t know you could do that. Super useful tip. Thanks for mentioning it!
- enraged_camel 6y agoIt is going to be really interesting to read historical accounts of our current times.
- burtonator 6y agoCovid is basically the perfect pandemic to hit the US in terms of worst-case scenario. This is a good example. Many of these people are illegal/undocumented persons who can't get benefits or medical treatment and can't afford to NOT work. They're still vectors anyway. The truth is that the US benefits from these workers and our economy would implode without them yet we vilify them and treat them horribly. Covid is karma.
- dsjimi 6y agoOur economy would not implode. That's ridiculous. We would go back to paying what our grandparents paid for food as a percentage of our paycheck. California created this situation through lax enforcement of immigration laws. It is less cruel to strictly enforce the law, as this prevents people from becoming second class residents.
- meroes 6y agoFederal Gov't handles immigration laws and enforcement by and large.
- s1artibartfast 6y agoI don't agree with all enforcement methods, but lets not pretend that California doesn't try to actively impede federal enforcement of immigration laws. For example, they passed SB 54, which prevents California law officers and agencies from assisting or sharing any information on illegal immigrants with the feds.
- toast0 6y ago> California created this situation through lax enforcement of immigration laws. It's not for states to enforce federal immigration laws. If enforcement is lax, that's a failing of the federal government. It's also a failing of the federal government that the path to legal immigration for many people is file some paperwork, then wait 20+ years for your turn.
- s1artibartfast 6y agoI think you are making an overly broad characterization of how the US views and treats low skilled workers. Also, you seem to equate being latino with being undocumented, which is not the case.
- newfriend 6y agoAll illegal aliens should be deported (according to US law). This is karma for being far too lax on immigration law (to the detriment of the American worker), not "treating criminals horribly".
- PakG1 6y agoSeriously makes me wonder if future generations would be able to garner a relatively objective understanding of everything that's happened. 100 years later, what would make one media source from today be considered more reliable than another from today? What first person accounts would be considered more reliable than another? Would you take the words of people on the street over the words of the president? What of all the people who agree that there's a deep state movement to work against the president in secret? How the heck would a historian be able to figure out what really happened? Suddenly makes me wonder how skeptical I should be of all our understanding of recorded history.
- karlshea 6y agoI wonder where a historian will even be able to read anything at all from this time. Most of the discourse on this has been online, and who will have archived Reddit and Tik Tok?
- gizmo686 6y agoA) Archive.org B) We are recording way more today than at any point in history. It is not like what is currently on Reddit and Tik Tok would have been published in books, with copies stored on slides and archived in libraries around the world. It would have been done in person (or never at all), and never written down in the first place.
- johnchristopher 6y ago> who will have archived Reddit and Tik Tok? I was told the CCP has the list of every video of skateboarding and memes I liked on the latter.
- rpeden 6y agoI think the “how do I figure out what the heck really happened” part is something most historians care about quite deeply and is an important part of historiography. Looking at the veracity of previously recorded history is part of historiography as well. I think skepticism of recorded history is healthy in general. Historians would probably agree.
- protomyth 6y agoGiven very few look back to 1968 H3N2 Pandemic for lessons of the 100K dead in the USA, I doubt this will be more than trivia in 20 years.
- pengaru 6y agoDid the 1968 H3N2 pandemic paralyze the economy for years?
- protomyth 6y agoStrangely, they didn't shutdown the economy with something that killed 100K in the US.
- enraged_camel 6y agoIt didn't kill 100k, it killed somewhere between 34k and 100k, and did so over a period of well over a year (between December 1968, which is when it became widespread in the US, to end of winter 1970 or thereabouts). In contrast, the coronavirus has killed at least 150k Americans over just five months. The wikipedia page for the H3N2 pandemic also lists reasons as to why the death toll wasn't much higher: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu#Mortality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_flu#Mortality Specifically: "The pandemic did not gain momentum until near the winter school holidays, thus limiting the infection's spread." If you think about it, this is the opposite scenario of today: our second wave is gaining momentum, and... we're reopening schools.
- protomyth 6y agoThe CDC says about 100,000 in the US https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.htm... I don't think the CDC is lying to me.
- enraged_camel 6y agoAlso the CDC: https://phil.cdc.gov/Details.aspx?pid=15874 https://phil.cdc.gov/Details.aspx?pid=15874 That's why the wikipedia page I linked says "between 34,000 and 100,000" -- it cites the CDC. P.S. The fact that you completely ignored everything else I said is duly noted.
- djsumdog 6y agoIt seemed like California took some of the strongest lockdown measures early on, especially compared to Texas and Florida; all three of which are seeing increased fatalities while the rest of the country is plummeting. I wonder if this a case of lockdowns delaying the inevitable, combined with the fact that many of those affected are in places with high population densities. If we are to learn anything from elderly care facilities in NYC, Sweden and Canada, it's that infected people need to be separated way out away from anyone in their home. The primary vector of infection is still the home, likely due to higher exposure if someone is sick.
- bkor 6y ago> it's that infected people need to be separated way out away from anyone in their home That's not what I got from it. It pretty much showed that separating elderly from anyone else is really difficult. It failed in many countries. This because they're either with families, or they're with people whom take care of them. > I wonder if this a case of lockdowns delaying the inevitable Lockdown is to ensure the hospitals aren't overwhelmed. Many countries had to completely stop or delay certain activities. People avoided going to the hospital out of fear of catching anything. It'll happen eventually isn't very compassionate IMO.
- blaser-waffle 6y ago> This because they're either with families, or they're with people whom take care of them. This was a big reason why things got very ugly in Italy, and to a lesser degree Spain -- a lot of working adults live with their (older) parents. They pick it up and might be able to shake it off or call out of work for a week, but they end up bringing it home to their elderly parents. The US has this too, doubly so since the millennial generation is more likely to live at home than ever, but compared to places like Italy there are far fewer people living with their 60 year old mother and 80 year old grandpa, all in the same house.
- christkv 6y agoIt got ugly in Spain due to getting into the old folk homes just like NYC.
- protomyth 6y agoI'm curious about lack of mention of home conditions. How many people per household? What is the community / non-work contact? It might all be the workplace, but we just had a large jump in cases without the single workplace and we might have some of the same demographics as them.
- jtbayly 6y agoFTA: "The surge in Central Valley cases has taken a particular toll on farmworkers, in part because they often live in close quarters, share transportation to job sites and have little access to healthcare."
- protomyth 6y agoYeah, that's one line and doesn't tell me a whole lot about the outside life. Are there more than average number of people per household, are there family gatherings, etc. I'm a bit worried they are comparing it to similar population like reservations and concentration a bit too much on the job. Seeing what you want or from the wrong perspective is not good.
- lowdest 6y agoAnecdote time: I live in San Francisco, almost everyone wears a mask here. My friend just got back from a road trip through the central valley, he said nobody there was wearing masks and a random stranger called him a coward (in more colorful language) for wearing one while at a gas station. His opinion was that the central valley is going to be hit hard.
- ExThermoGuy 6y agoIf the "colorful" language was short for "pusillanimous", then it wasn't colorful at all. Just brief. ;)
- blaser-waffle 6y agoTo paraphrase Hosea 8:7 -- so the wind, reap the whirlwind. They'll get theirs soon enough.
- DerekL 6y agoBy the way, it's sow. So and sow are homophones.
- torpfactory 6y agoWe have a friend who is an ER nurse at a hospital on the Central Valley. She had a nasty interaction while buying takeout at a bar in Winters. Another patron said “we don’t need any mask wearing cowards in here” and then proceeded to get physically confrontational until her friend said “are you really going to beat up two nurses over wearing masks” and then he backed off. What a world we live in.
- Teknoman117 6y agoI got yelled at for wearing a mask while getting the mail at my apartment. Said I shouldn't scare her kids in their home. (apparently this person considered anywhere in the apartment complex to be "home")
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- stephencoyner 6y agoThis Frontline documentary highlights the poor conditions for farm workers and meat packing workers. It was really just a matter of time before this started. They aren’t supplied masks, have to travel to work in crowded vehicles, etc. https://youtu.be/_VXDqhKGBy8 https://youtu.be/_VXDqhKGBy8
- beamatronic 6y agoHere I was hoping the farm managers would see the danger coming, and take proactive steps to protect these vulnerable folks whom we all depend on.
- Legogris 6y agoThis video is not available. Anyone nabbed a youtube-dl?
- gizmo686 6y agoIt works here (USA).
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- ryanmarsh 6y ago"ravages" the central valley, how many deaths in the valley? I couldn't find that in the article. Seems like it would be important to mention? Instead the death total given is for the entire state.
- Teknoman117 6y agoMany central valley counties are completely inundated with cases. I'm currently living in San Joaquin, and we hit 100% ICU capacity and are approaching 100% hospital capacity. I'm worried that this will just increase the amount of deaths across the board because help is now much farther away.
- mgr86 6y agoI think a death figure might be underwhelming for some. Looking at deaths and/or cases per-capita might be more telling.
- djrogers 6y agoAccording to the latest stats, neither hospitalizations nor ICUs are at 100%, hospitalizations have remained stable, and 17 of the 94 ICU beds are open. Yeah, it’s not in great shape, but it’s not being ‘ravaged’. [1] https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/san-joaquin-county/ https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-case...
- usaar333 6y agoPet peeve of mine: It's really not the Central Valley as a whole being ravaged, it's specifically the poorer southern part - the San Joaquin Valley. Sacramento in particular is somewhere between the Bay Area and coastal So-Cal. The northern extreme (say Redding) is actually doing a bit better than the Bay Area. All said, even in Sac, you have some pretty dangerous behavior going on (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/churches-return-coronavirus-protests.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/churches-return-corona...), so this isn't entirely surprising.
- skmurphy 6y agoReviewing https://projects.sfchronicle.com/2020/coronavirus-map/ https://projects.sfchronicle.com/2020/coronavirus-map/ and https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-cases-tracking-outbreak/ https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-coronavirus-case... I don't see evidence for the thesis of the article.
- neonate 6y agohttps://archive.is/2op0w https://archive.is/2op0w