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Do you not know Intel is close to releasing their own GPUs or do you just think they will just fail at it? Even with the acquisition of ARM, I don't see Nvidia

Do you not know Intel is close to releasing their own GPUs or do you just think they will just fail at it? Even with the acquisition of ARM, I don't see Nvidia any better off than Intel at this moment as far as CPU/GPU stack goes. Frankly, I would think AMD would be the one to end up by the wayside since they still are weak on the software side.

sillysaurusx 6y ago
I think there's a good chance they'll fail. This is true of any new venture, so it's a bit lame to say, but there are reasons: Right now I have a fairly decent GPU in my Macbook which I've hardly used. Very little supports it, because it's not nVidia. I can't use it for AI training, for example. Sure, it might work ok for some games, but Macbooks aren't really for gaming, and nVidia has captured that market nicely anyway. Things can change; maybe Intel's software stack will be incredible. I don't know. But they have quite a hill to climb before they reach that summit.
- fomine3 6y ago
  Intel has good record to provide software, contribute to OSS, support for developers to support hardware than AMD, so possibly they can do better than RADEON on some world if they can provide great hardware.
- xvilka 6y ago
  There's ROCm[1] though. It's just almost every ML platform blindly bent to the NVIDIA vendor lock-in. CUDA is a disaster, like DirectX was back in time. One day it will go, hopefully soon enough. [1] https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm
Spooky23 6y ago
There's a huge market for mobile devices that aren't Apple and are fast. Perhaps this would offer better SoC prospects than whatever slop Qualcomm is dishing out.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Where is this “huge” non Apple mobile market? The mobile market outside of Apple is a commoditized race to the bottom. The average selling price of an Android phone is around $270. https://www.statista.com/statistics/951537/worldwide-average-selling-price-android-smartphones/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/951537/worldwide-average...
  - Spooky23 6y ago
    Hardware always gets cheaper and better. Why do you think Apple is so aggressively pushing services?
    - scarface74 6y ago
      Yet and still Apple has been charging a premium over competitors for over 40 years....
      - Spooky23 6y ago
        They segment the market and de-empathize cheap stuff. Even so, as many iPhone 7s ($200) were activated as iPhone 11s as recently as January.
        scarface74 6y ago
        The ASP of iPhones is $760. Also, Apple never sold an iPhone 7 for $200. If you are finding one, they are being subsidized by the carrier and they are still paying the wholesale cost. https://wccftech.com/iphone-11-cuts-into-apples-average-selling-price-for-lineup-reveals-analysis/ https://wccftech.com/iphone-11-cuts-into-apples-average-sell... The iPhone 7 was discontinued September 2019. You might have found some on clearance after that.
dekhn 6y ago
They will fail. If they release anything less than a card as fast as a standard nvidia card and with as good driver support, they have absolutely no chance. nvidia has a huge market, people buy their stuff because it's fast and there's software support for everything from AAA games to scientific/engineering modelling to ML. intel took far, far too long to come up wiht a viable graphics ecosystem to ever be successful.
- theandrewbailey 6y ago
  Most GPU sales are for $200-$400 cards. AMD has always optimized for that instead of having the fastest card outright.
  - newsclues 6y ago
    Doesn’t intel ship the most GPUs? Just not discrete. Their iGPUs are in so many low end systems compared to any systems with discrete graphics cards
tw04 6y ago
>Do you not know Intel is close to releasing their own GPUs or do you just think they will just fail at it? Given this is about their third attempt at releasing a high performance gpu, I think skepticism is warranted until they’re actually selling something to the general public.
xen2xen1 6y ago
Maybe I'm jaded, but my current hope is they will fail at a discreet GPU, then dump that tech into making their onboard much better and using that as a selling point for the CPUs, thus helping everyone in the long run.

sillysaurusx 6y ago

I think there's a good chance they'll fail. This is true of any new venture, so it's a bit lame to say, but there are reasons: Right now I have a fairly decent GPU in my Macbook which I've hardly used. Very little supports it, because it's not nVidia. I can't use it for AI training, for example. Sure, it might work ok for some games, but Macbooks aren't really for gaming, and nVidia has captured that market nicely anyway. Things can change; maybe Intel's software stack will be incredible. I don't know. But they have quite a hill to climb before they reach that summit.

fomine3 6y ago
Intel has good record to provide software, contribute to OSS, support for developers to support hardware than AMD, so possibly they can do better than RADEON on some world if they can provide great hardware.
xvilka 6y ago
There's ROCm[1] though. It's just almost every ML platform blindly bent to the NVIDIA vendor lock-in. CUDA is a disaster, like DirectX was back in time. One day it will go, hopefully soon enough. [1] https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm https://github.com/RadeonOpenCompute/ROCm

Spooky23 6y ago

There's a huge market for mobile devices that aren't Apple and are fast. Perhaps this would offer better SoC prospects than whatever slop Qualcomm is dishing out.

scarface74 6y ago
Where is this “huge” non Apple mobile market? The mobile market outside of Apple is a commoditized race to the bottom. The average selling price of an Android phone is around $270. https://www.statista.com/statistics/951537/worldwide-average-selling-price-android-smartphones/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/951537/worldwide-average...
- Spooky23 6y ago
  Hardware always gets cheaper and better. Why do you think Apple is so aggressively pushing services?
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Yet and still Apple has been charging a premium over competitors for over 40 years....
    - Spooky23 6y ago
      They segment the market and de-empathize cheap stuff. Even so, as many iPhone 7s ($200) were activated as iPhone 11s as recently as January.
      - scarface74 6y ago
        The ASP of iPhones is $760. Also, Apple never sold an iPhone 7 for $200. If you are finding one, they are being subsidized by the carrier and they are still paying the wholesale cost. https://wccftech.com/iphone-11-cuts-into-apples-average-selling-price-for-lineup-reveals-analysis/ https://wccftech.com/iphone-11-cuts-into-apples-average-sell... The iPhone 7 was discontinued September 2019. You might have found some on clearance after that.

dekhn 6y ago

They will fail. If they release anything less than a card as fast as a standard nvidia card and with as good driver support, they have absolutely no chance. nvidia has a huge market, people buy their stuff because it's fast and there's software support for everything from AAA games to scientific/engineering modelling to ML. intel took far, far too long to come up wiht a viable graphics ecosystem to ever be successful.

theandrewbailey 6y ago
Most GPU sales are for $200-$400 cards. AMD has always optimized for that instead of having the fastest card outright.
- newsclues 6y ago
  Doesn’t intel ship the most GPUs? Just not discrete. Their iGPUs are in so many low end systems compared to any systems with discrete graphics cards

tw04 6y ago

>Do you not know Intel is close to releasing their own GPUs or do you just think they will just fail at it? Given this is about their third attempt at releasing a high performance gpu, I think skepticism is warranted until they’re actually selling something to the general public.

xen2xen1 6y ago

Maybe I'm jaded, but my current hope is they will fail at a discreet GPU, then dump that tech into making their onboard much better and using that as a selling point for the CPUs, thus helping everyone in the long run.