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Friend of a friend got caught with two sheets in the 90s and I think he got 20 years for each one. Downstate Illinois. My recollection was the weight of the bl
by kitteh 6y ago
Friend of a friend got caught with two sheets in the 90s and I think he got 20 years for each one. Downstate Illinois.
My recollection was the weight of the blotter paper was considered as the drug itself and that easily increased the federal sentencing guidelines.
- rapsey 6y agoJust how the feds when weighing pot plants weighted them with pots and all.
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y agoWhen I was arrested and searched the police didn’t even find the 200 tabs I had on me. They found everything else, but LSD is incredibly easy to hide from regular law enforcement. They found everything else, but in typical stupid-police fashion, they ballsed that up too and ended up entering a nolle prosequi (do not prosecute) at the district court level. The police prosecutor was sufficiently annoyed, and I was sufficiently elated and thankful for the woman who went before me (case unrelated) and set a strong precedent. Any chance I get to gloat. Edit to add: this happened in Australia in 2012. Not keen to repeat the experience.
- h0l0cube 6y ago> and set a strong precedent Which was?
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y agoI can't respond extensively at the moment, come back in 10hrs or so. My time zone suggests I should go to bed :)
- MayeulC 6y ago> but LSD is incredibly easy to hide from regular law enforcement Not that I intend to leverage that knowledge, but you can't just write this and leave it at that. Why so? I've never seen any LSD, so I am not sure why that would be.
- worldsayshi 6y ago> 20 years for each one That is incredible. For a crime that harms noone.
- HenryKissinger 6y agoI mean, the organized crime groups that sell these drugs do harm people, by way of murders, human trafficking, violent crimes and property crimes. Funding criminals and terrorists is surely worthy of punishment, do you not agree? But I agree that twenty years is excessive. A week of prison or two would be enough.
- jakemal 6y agoThe only reason such an inhumane black market can exist is because no one is allowed to produce it legally. I would argue regulators are responsible for the harm caused by the trade.
- grayhatter 6y agoNo, you have your logic backwards. The conclusion that with lax drug laws, there'd be less violence associated with drug manufacturing and selling is correct. But the laws don't cause the violence, they make it so violent individuals are the only one's willing to fill the supply. If I outlaw [drug], I'm not responsible because you kill someone trying to sell [drug].
- theptip 6y agoI disagree. If you take [action], and it was a necessary and sufficient condition for [consequence], then you are morally responsible for that consequence. (Sure, the individuals committing crimes in this concrete case are also morally respoinsible). In this case, I think it is correct to say that the laws cause violence, since that violence would not be happening otherwise. There is a common trope that criminals sit down and decide what crime they will commit, and decide that drug dealing is the best one. In fact, that is backwards; if the TAM of crime is cut by 10x, then there are fewer jobs, and at the margin some will stop. And in the other direction, if there is no longer easy money to be made by selling drugs, then fewer would find their way into the drug business in the first place. See prohibition in the USA for a natural experiment that supports my claims here.
- peroporque 6y agoI will never understand how people in the US are okay with this. Don't people care about justice at all over there?
- vikramkr 6y agoYou see giant protests occupying cities for weeks and your first thought is that americans are totally OK with the state of things? All those folks on the street in Hong kong - they must just be out there celebrating their loss of liberties! It's a big party!
- rabite 6y agoYeah but the giant protests occupying cities for weeks are not about psychedelics sentences at all. They are generally in support of the state of things, funded by hostile billionaires in hopes that small businesses will be destroyed and that any potential competition in the middle class will disappear with them. People aren't asking for lower LSD sentences, they are demanding an end to "racism" and some kind of penance because a career violent criminal with heart disease passing counterfeit currency overdosed on fentanyl while being arrested.
- devenblake 6y agoThere may be giant protests, but Americans continue to elect leaders that refuse to serve their interests.
- Doxin 6y ago> My recollection was the weight of the blotter paper was considered as the drug itself and that easily increased the federal sentencing guidelines. Which is of course the entire reason for switching away from using sugar cubes and to blotter paper as delivery media.