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With +1, Google Search Goes Truly Social — As Do Google Ads
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- erik_p 16y agoI wish they would add a -1 button
- magicalist 16y agothey do: "block all example.com results" or whatever. it's just not shared (yet?)
- Uhhrrr 16y agoSerious question: why would you want to share it? I think the default for most websites is already that no one goes there. Telling someone "This exists but don't go there" is like the canonical, "Don't think of a polar bear."
- sorbus 16y agoOn the other hand, telling Google "you know this exists but it's useless" is a useful bit of information. It's not like your blocked websites would be shared in a list, they would just be used to influence the ordering of search results.
- Uhhrrr 16y agoYes, but this goes back to magicalist's comment above.
- erik_p 16y agowell that's more of a middle finger for a domain or subdomain as opposed to a thumbs down for a single result for a specific search (which is how I envision a -1) If I could see this -1 layer and +1 layer in social searches I could pick out visually what the more likely to have solid content links would be. Or the safer-neighborhoods if you will. I always thought a few recommendations or disses by people in my social network weighed as heavily as a couple hundred recommendations in aggregate of total strangers (like yelp).
- Hominem 16y agoI got a few downvotes last week saying google needed exactly this to fend off Facebook constructing a search engine based on it's like button data. This goes a long way but the problem I see here is that I want to be able to +1 on the page itself, not have to click back to the search results, find the result again, and then press +1.
- bretthopper 16y ago"So they’re taking it slow. There will be no +1 buttons for publishers at launch (but they’re coming)."
- Daniel14 16y agohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAyUNI3_V2c#t=0m45s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAyUNI3_V2c#t=0m45s "And soon you'll be able to +1 more than just search results. You'll also find the +1 button on sites across the web, making it easy to +1 pages after you visited them."
- currywurst 16y agoBut isn't this the classic problem regarding the dinosaur and the egg ?! I would have made sure that those embeddable buttons (some basic rudimentary version) are out along with the roll out. Because, I know literally no-one who goes back to the search results page for anything !
- Hominem 16y agoRight! If the page is good, actually what you are looking for, are you going to back out and tell google? I doubt it.
- matthewslotkin 16y agoi wonder if this will promote junk content. if paris hilton starts popping up over paris france when you search paris there might be a big issue here.
- matthewslotkin 16y agoalso longer and richer content might get pushed aside by shorter gawker style content. wikipedia should be ok though... =)
- MatthewPhillips 16y agoAnyone else having flashbacks to Yahoo in 1996: http://web.archive.org/web/19961017235908/http://www2.yahoo.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/19961017235908/http://www2.yahoo.... And then in 2006: http://web.archive.org/web/20060101035628/http://www.yahoo.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20060101035628/http://www.yahoo.c... ? Google has featuritis.
- TillE 16y agoThey do seem to be adding a little too much to the search engine itself. I just noticed that they've finally hidden "realtime results" behind a link you have to click, instead of shoving random idiotic Twitter crap in your face when you search for current topics. There's an idea that had some potential, but seems to have made no progress since its debut. It's still no better than a simple Twitter search. Google seems a little too eager to adopt random crazy ideas (SearchWiki) and a little too willing to kill off good ideas that don't take off quickly enough (Wave). I can't think of a recent new feature or product that was a big success, which is disappointing.
- Rariel 16y agoI thought Wave was a good idea, and a good amount of my friends used it for a while. I think integrating it more with gmail would have made it dynamite. Or some how using it as a regular email account. I kinda miss wave now.
- ot 16y ago> I can't think of a recent new feature or product that was a big success, which is disappointing. Google Chrome?
- revorad 16y agohttp://www.google.com/experimental/ http://www.google.com/experimental/
- kjhughes 16y agoWSJ's coverage, "Google Seeks Answer to Facebook With 'Social Search'", is here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703806304576232771273306208.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870380630457623... Search Engine Land does a good job of relating this announcement to prior Google social projects and rumors: http://searchengineland.com/meet-1-googles-answer-to-the-facebook-like-button-70569 http://searchengineland.com/meet-1-googles-answer-to-the-fac... You can join Google's +1 experiment here: http://www.google.com/experimental/ http://www.google.com/experimental/
- random42 16y agoOh look, Google's very own "like" button. Lets see how well they do with it.
- shadowsun7 16y agoThe obvious: I'm sure it won't be long before Google creates an embeddable +1 button, for you to include in your site/blog/webapp. Because right now I don't see why I would run a search, click the result, go 'whoah, good article' and then hit back to the results page to '+1' aforementioned article. What I really like about this, though, is that it sounds so good. "I'd +1 that." "Have you +1ed?" "Where's the essay? Uh, it's in my +1s"
- cyanbane 16y agoI don't see anything that would keep them from moving this to the gtoolbar, Chrome or a javascriptlet. I agree with the branding of it. I doubt I will use it much, but it is catchy.
- wzdd 16y agoThere is something very Google about the branding. It's a little bit nerdy, very simple, and cool. I like it a lot more than "Like".
- DaveMebs 16y ago"It's a little bit nerdy," is exactly the problem I see with this. They are taking a piece of internet/geek culture and expanding it to my Grandma. My Grandma know what it means to "Like" something, but does she understand "+1"? Probably not.
- Andrex 16y agoDid people know what a "googol" was? It doesn't really matter at all in the grand scheme of things.
- shadowsun7 16y agoWell to be fair, Andrex, people still don't know what a 'googol' is. They know 'Google', and what 'Google' means to them is very different from 'googol'.
- jjcm 16y agoIt's an interesting way of arranging a link aggregator, in that the links are already present. That said, I don't see this taking off. People compartmentalize their life based on functionality. Some will see google only as a search tool, digg/reddit/hn/slashdot/etc as their social news site, gmail/hotmail/etc as their mailing client - and wont use those products for anything other than their mentally compartmentalized purpose. The other issue that I see here is the culture that is present. Think of everyone that uses google - do you want all of their votes to influence the content that you see? I don't want to see the eggplant tofurduken recipe that Aunt Millie +1'd. Sure, you can limit the influence to just your circle of friends, but that doesn't bring much new to the table. Reddit has done well because it allows for this context of culture to be one of it's primary features (via subreddits). Even HN has this driving niche focus sitewide. All that said, while I dont expect this to take off, I do expect to see a "+1 THIS!" button next to the "tweet this!"/"digg this!"/"reddit this!" button on every blogspam post out there.
- dannyr 16y agoIf this will be the final product of "+1", I'd agree with you that it probably won't take off. Google, however, has been taking it methodically slow on social (and geo-location too). This is probably just a small piece of what they envision it to be. This is in contrast to the big, complicated launch of Google Wave. I'm holding my judgement for now. I'm excited to see what Google comes up with next.
- Groxx 16y agoPerhaps a better comparison would be Buzz. That was a big change, rolled out to everyone at once, and an attempt at grabbing a chunk of the social web in one swoop. Meanwhile, their repeated, incremental, segmented, non-intrusive changes to add social aspects to their searching have essentially all gone off without a hitch. The first time I saw Buzz, I thought "Really? Good luck with that.". Prior to the privacy hubbub (I actually read the dialog), which nigh-totally tanked it. The first time I saw a tweet from a friend come up in a relevant search result, I thought "Really? Awesome." and I clicked on the link. I think this'll end up working better than their much-ignored stars on results.
- brown9-2 16y agoMaybe I'm missing something, but what benefit do I get as a user out of +1-ing something?
- s3graham 16y agoBookmark-ish functionality I guess? Maybe you could pretend it's a microtransaction gift to the receiver, which it probably is in some vague way.
- nevinera 16y agoI have a strong suspicion that `+1`s you give out would affect your search results at least as much as would those of your friends.
- dman 16y agoTo jumpstart user identities in googles take on social google could buy communities like github, photo.net and import user identities from there. Of course the privacy and the UX of such a move will dictate whether users go "wow this is great" or "oh my god now the whole internet knows about my tinfoil hat". In the meanwhile they could try to integrate identities from services that google already owns - youtube, picasa, google reader etc.
- otherwise 16y agoAnnouncement on the official Google blog: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/1s-right-recommendations-right-when-you.html http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/1s-right-recommendati...
- yesimahuman 16y agoThis might sound dumb, but it's not really obvious how I add people I know to my google profile as a "friend". With facebook, it's dead simple and it makes sense why you would do that. I assume I have to connect an account here: https://profiles.google.com/connectedaccounts https://profiles.google.com/connectedaccounts But then don't my friends have to do that as well? I don't really see why they would.
- tonfa 16y agoThe searchengineland article explains it: http://searchengineland.com/meet-1-googles-answer-to-the-facebook-like-button-70569 http://searchengineland.com/meet-1-googles-answer-to-the-fac... As far as I understand, things from connected accounts is the social connection. The friends are your buzz friends (I think, please correct me if I'm wrong).
- BoppreH 16y agoCan I opt-out of the social part but still allow my results to be used anonymously in their ranking algorithm?
- pathik 16y ago'+1' proves that Google is run by engineers. I, for one, prefer it to 'Like' or 'Tweet'.
- Kylekramer 16y agoIt can have a nerdy connotation, but +1 is pretty well known. The average person probably sees it in the party invite/club culture context where you vouch for one person, much like you'll be vouching for sites. Probably not better than Like, but definitely not worse than Tweet. Edit: And the ultimate arbitrator of slang agrees: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=plus%20one http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=plus%20one
- mauriciob 16y agoI don't agree with Like. It's good for socializing, but not for this. I've never heard anybody say they 'like' an article from Wikipedia, but they might find it interesting, so they'd +1 it.
- rayval 16y agoYes, +1 has the connotation of "noteworthy" rather than "fan". So it is more generally useful. One could +1 a news article about an earthquake or horrific disaster, but might be reluctant to Like it.
- hrabago 16y agoTo me, it's much closer to communicating agreement in Apache open source projects. Someone proposes an idea or expresses an opinion, others simply respond with "+1" instead of a variety of ways of saying "Yes/agreed/I concur/indeed/I second/I support/Let's do it" etc. So I got the same thought that pathik did - the +1 feeds my personal image of Google as primarily run by engineers.
- DaveMebs 16y agoBut the context of this is much more akin to forums than parties. I'll +1 a link I agree with or found useful, but I'm not going to bring the link to a night club.
- rrhoover 16y agoI don't see mainstream users regularly +1'ing (or plus'ing???) search results. Feels awkward and forced to me. Hopefully this is just a very small part of their larger plan.
- MrJagil 16y ago4chan already regularly troll google search results by mass-searching for a specific, disturbing sentence. This seems like another tool in their arsenal. Not saying Google should let bullies dictate their behaviour, but this _could_ be abused.
- OstiaAntica 16y agoI bet the SEO underworld is also going bananas with the potential to game the system.
- anamax 16y ago> I bet the SEO underworld is also going bananas with the potential to game the system. The value to the SEO underworld depends on how Google interprets the +1. Google can use +1 data to identify folks trying to game the system. The easiest way to get around said identification, or rather, to keep Google from using your +1 to hose you, is to provide good data. Since Google wants good data .....
- sahaj 16y agoIf none of the 4chan users are my friends, I won't see anything from them. I think this is actually not a problem.
- btam 16y agoThe TechCrunch article hinted at this feature being rolled out to everyone performing a search on Google, so this sort of thing may very well affect us all. I imagine Google will manage some sort of defense, though. This feature could kill their product otherwise.
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- gdulli 16y agoI don't find this very useful. My friends often like things that I don't like. They're not my friends because they like the bands or movies or web sites that I do. Recommendations from my friends carry no more weight than they would from anyone else. The only difference between a friend and a stranger is that I might engage a friend in a conversation with specific questions about something they've used or seen that I haven't, but the value of that conversation comes from the detail of the exchange and targeted or objective questions I'd ask, it's not expressible as a boolean like/+1 or a 1-10 rating.
- numbchuckskills 16y agoIsn't that the point? If one day you search something that is outside your current interests, but within one of your friends, you'd see they gave it a +1, and you'd have a personal connection to reference.
- jhuckestein 16y agoIs the techcrunch article more interesting than Google's own announcement? I personally don't find their coverage to be very insightful. (except for the occasional Mark Suster guest post) Makes me wonder if jacques' blog may not be the only one targeted by HN auto-posting bots.
- s3graham 16y agoI like it. Seems unintrusive and simple, but useful en-masse. (-1 the mouseover animated highlight glossy thing though.)
- s3graham 16y agoedit: Heh, and the url? http://google.com/+1button http://google.com/+1button Confusing broken URL cracking code everywhere. ;)
- currywurst 16y agoIt would have been so cool if I could have redirected ads to a particular friend. E.g, I know he's looking for a camera, and I see this great deal when looking up some reviews for him. +1 -> Bob's a happy monkey !
- OstiaAntica 16y agoSome of the websites I use are a competitive business advantage. Others are private topics of personal interest. I love Google but I hated Buzz and I think I will hate social search too.
- pkteison 16y agoI don't understand the icon. What's it supposed to be? A file folder with colored tabs?
- rexf 16y agoPossible unintuitive user experience? Google's usage comes from leaving Google's site as fast as possible (search for a term, then leave Google to visit the result). This looks like you would do a search, visit the resulting site, and then remember to go back to the Google results page to click the +1.
- sahaj 16y agoIf the website you are visiting also integrates +1, then there is no need to go back and +1. But yeah, going back to the Google search results page is a pain and I doubt very many people would actually take that action, unless they are really impressed by the site and are familiar with the +1 feature.
- dman 16y agoThey could have gone 1+ and made the lisp folks happy.
- bluenose 16y agoThe oddest thing to me is having it on the search results page. I understand that's where they hand off control, but on the other hand won't most people have to click through the links in question to figure out if they like the content? I generally only go back to the search results if I didn't like the results and want to check out sites lower down.
- ancornwell 16y agoThis is brilliant - and outdated. Do all Google engineers play RPG's? +60 credibility to my twitter feed!
- minalecs 16y agoGoogle actually played around with a voting feature awhile back. When you searched for a term, there was an up arrow on the results, so it moved those results to the top every time you searched for those terms. This was incredible useful for me, because for example I was too lazy to bookmark api documentation and just search for example rails api, and the links I voted up were automatically at the top. If this works like this I will be happy, the social aspect I don't care for, but can see how it will be relevant if enough people are voting for good content.. thats associated with specific search terms.
- ruethewhirled 16y agoIs this going to be a new way for people to game search results? I personally wont be using it
- sahaj 16y agoThis seems like a defensive move on Google's part. I imagine there are talks inside Facebook to either develop their own search or work with another search provider to integrate Facebook into the results. I am not sure how widely this feature will be used but, in my opinion, it is definitely the right move.
- wmboy 16y agoPuts an interesting spin on SEO. It seems the best technique is still to simply produce quality content that people want to link to and share with their friends.
- narrator 16y agoI see hundreds of thousands of billable hours of mechanical turk and dungeon grade Indian and Chinese IT Services time spent +1ing SEO spam farm links.
- eurokc98 16y agoAgree, though reputation rank may mitigate some of this behavior when implemented. The urls +1 profile distribution may end up looking like a typical back link profile and something most SEOs should try and balance.
- Groxx 16y agoAs PageRank is a trust metric, and their entire system is based around that, I'd imagine they would perform similar calculations for +1 results. Especially as +1s contain no implicit content, as they are merely flags, I find it unlikely to suffer from SEO like search does - trust metrics are practically designed to handle farming.
- perlgeek 16y agoHow can you calculate a trust rank of +1s? Remember that people don't +1 other people, and don't know who +1ed what, so not even people can assess who does quality voting.
- Groxx 16y agoGoogle's aiming for the social game, and has been hosting, indexing, and correlating it for a long time. They have blogger, buzz, gmail, people's names, credit cards, links to and searching of your twitter account, your blog, your friends, your x, your y, even your z. Why can't they infer popularity that way, identically to how PageRank works? And people do see who +1d something, it requires a public account - it's visible on the link (as displayed in the video, and implied by the same behavior with tweeted links) and on your profile page. If a nobody from nowhere +1s a link, their friends will see it, but it's unlikely to affect the world at-large. Similarly, trust-metric wise, if a cluster of nobodies +1s a thousand pages, the impact will be restricted to their cluster. If an extremely-highly-connected person, who many people follow on Twitter / Reader / etc, +1s something, it'll have more impact simply by being visible to more people and because their "importance" can be inferred by those connections.
- edw 16y agoA thought: Liking (or +1-ing) at the URL level seems useful but too coarse-grained as a general model. Maybe I've made too many Git checkins today, but I'd like to be able to select some text and +1 it. That's what I use Twitter or my blog for at least half the time: to point out an interesting sentence or two. You, know, the money quotes.
- hanibash 16y agoI see this as potentially being very useful. Imagine if you had the ability to Google search all of your friend's 'Likes' on Facebook. This is what Google is trying to create here, except for webpages instead of social snippets. This suggests a parallel competing feature for Facebook: Make all of your friend's 'Likes' searchable through the search toolbar on Facebook.
- curiousepic 16y agoI hope, along with fixing everything else about Google Bookmarks, they add a feature to automatically +1 all of your bookmarks.
- advisor 16y agoThe first one who publishes something, so we can integrate the +1-button on our websites, get's a +1! ;)
- SoftwareMaven 16y agoI'd rather see a "-1"; so when I go back to the results because the result didn't match my need, I could indicate it (w/o a full ban). I'm not likely to ever return for a +1 result, since, almost by definition, I'm done searching at that point.
- Matt_Cutts 16y agoThere's not a "-1 button" but you can block search results in a couple ways: - Install the Personal Blocklist extension in Chrome: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nolijncfnkgaikbjbdaogikpmpbdcdef https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nolijncfnkgaikbjbd... - Click on a search result, then click back, and you'll see a "block example.com" for that snippet. The first option is easy and always shows block links; the second option is server-side, so the blocks work on different browsers.
- SoftwareMaven 16y agoI love the "block" functionality, but it is really a different feature. Block says "this site is spam, don't show it to me anymore." "-1" says "this result isn't relevant to what I'm searching for, alter the future results accordingly." Regardless, I love what Google is doing here in taking individual consideration into account.
- happyfeet 16y agoThis is good interpretation of the functionality is meant to be used. However, we have seen several cases where the usage of the functionality slowly drives how the feature is morphed and I am guessing Google is experimenting with the button initially to see how the users like it and would try to weave other functionalities around it.
- chernevik 16y agoIsn't a search result assessed on its relevance to the search terms? I don't see that a site recommendation does an awful lot to help me know if it has what I'm looking for.
- projectMY 16y agoHas google been taking taking product development tips from Microsoft? I "like" this a lot. Don't be evil guys.