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Looks mostly fine to me, maybe some are over the top but these are cherry picked examples. Most of these situations there is riot police trying to clear an area
by x87678r 6y ago
Looks mostly fine to me, maybe some are over the top but these are cherry picked examples. Most of these situations there is riot police trying to clear an area. Do what you're told. Most people are hanging around waiting for a fight to start then complain when one happens. And dont say we need more protesting, there are plenty peaceful protests around. I'm glad I'm not a cop you couldn't pay me enough to put up with that.
- greatwhitenorth 6y agoExactly. It's mostly people who are looking for trouble that cry police brutality. There were so many instances of people shoving their camera in a cop's face and get beaten. Why would you do that? There are a lot of dumb people who believe everything the media tells them to believe.
- vangelis 6y agoIf recording is violence, do I have the same rights as a civilian to respond?
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- greatwhitenorth 6y agoIs shoving a camera in a cop's face same as recording from a distance?
- vangelis 6y agoI'd hope an officer of the law would be able to keep their composure even with a camera in their face.
- FriendlyNormie 6y agoDon’t bother with these retards. Just continue to stockpile ammo.
- rsynnott 6y agoLook, if the police officer in question was a bear or something, I could kind of see your point. But police officers are typically humans, and have free will. If they're not able to deal with that sort of thing without assaulting people, then perhaps they should consider less demanding work.
- greatwhitenorth 6y ago20 people are encircling your car, banging your windows, shouting and ready to break your car. Can you tell me how you would respond? Sit there and wait for them to assault you?
- meheleventyone 6y agoRight but your original example was someone filming a policeman at close range. Should you be beaten for filming the police?
- greatwhitenorth 6y agoIs shoving a camera in a cop's face same as recording from a distance?
- meheleventyone 6y agoNo the person is closer but so what? What crime has been committed that justifies extra-judicial beating? Are the police so poorly trained they cannot be filmed at close range without becoming violent?
- thephyber 6y agoSo many problems with this argument. > 20 people are encircling your car, banging your windows, shouting and ready to break your car. Of the 400 videos, how many of them were this type of situation? I would guess 3 or fewer. This isn't a representative scenario. > Can you tell me how you would respond? People (police or otherwise) who aren't trained will respond in any number of inappropriate ways. Your argument is basically just justification for police to act inappropriately anytime they encounter a situation for which they haven't been explicitly trained. We don't pay police departments 40% of all municipal revenues to put untrained people on the street to act in completely unprofessional ways towards the same people who pay their paychecks, retirement, union dues, medical bills, and department lawsuits. Actually check that. Apparently we do and those departments settle for billions of USD per year in legal settlements. The problem is that the officers largely aren't held accountable -- but the taxpayers frequently are. Moral hazard. > Sit there and wait for them to assault you? Professional police have a whole belt full of tools, a radio (to 40,000 other officers in NYC), a megaphone, a long gun, a short gun, and frequently a tazer. Also, why is an officer in a car surrounded by angry citizens? Because someone in the same uniform mistreated their brother/father/son/husband/etc. Police have a lot of ability to de-escalate the problems before they happen, but they aren't doing it. Instead, police {departments, chiefs, unions, officers, wives} are pointing at violent protesters as if violent protesters have no incentive or excuse to be angry at police. And while we're at it, shouldn't your logic be equally used against officers who assault civilians? Why shouldn't the entire country support civilians defending themselves against officers who use "extralegal" force? (rhetorical question)
- scollet 6y agoThe first line of defense against authoritarianism is eyes on the regime. You're defending disproportionate response to a non-violent checking of power. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
- badrabbit 6y agoAhh, is that why white people shielding black people stopped police attacks or why multiple journalists were shot in the eye with rubber bullets? Seems you've picked which side of justice will support.
- andybak 6y agoI'm not sure you've been watching the same videos as me. Or maybe the fact that I'm not a US citizen has some bearing on the matter. Our police are far from perfect but the stuff I've seen from the US has been on a different level.
- vangelis 6y agoFree expression in the free expression zone only!
- greatwhitenorth 6y agoWhat free expression? Shoving a camera in a cop's face, encircling a cop's car and banging the windows? If you act like an asshole in the name of free expression, you will be treated like one. Cry as much as you want, it will never change as everyone has a short memory and will move on to the next outrage.
- vangelis 6y agoI agree with you on the second point. There are however many instances of a "police riot", unprovoked escalations on peaceful protestors recently.
- greatwhitenorth 6y agoDo you've unedited videos of these escalations that show the complete context? You may be able to find 0.1% of the videos that show the complete context. Everything is conveniently edited to make people angry. No question that there are a few shitty cops but the media wants to show that every cop is one.
- AlexandrB 6y ago> If you act like an asshole ... you will be treated like one. I guess the cops haven't learned that lesson yet.
- wbronitsky 6y ago> Do what you're told. Why do we all need to conform to every order from every police officer, even, and sometimes especially, when that order is unlawful? When the police are using unlawful orders to escalate violence, and then justify that violence by asserting that one was not complying with their order, which was unlawful, or otherwise stated illegal, is that not wrong? I do not believe that any law, or logic, supports a situation in which anyone must "do what [they are] told" in this context. This argument can be restated as "do what I say, no matter what, or die". This is pure terror enacted by the state against its population.
- meheleventyone 6y agoIt’s a jaundiced view but a lot of American society seems predicated around the idea that the person with power is correct. Whether that’s a policeman or corporate shareholders or your obviously incompetent president.
- thephyber 6y agoAs someone who recently sat through jury selection, it's a remarkably common view. So many American citizens revere the badge, are willing to trust the person in uniform despite evidence to the contrary, and automatically assume the person sitting in the defendant's chair is guilty.
- stallmanite 6y agoBased on your lucid comments in this thread I’m guessing you were not selected for the jury.
- thephyber 6y agoBetween the 2 attorneys and the judge, one of them might have been disbarred if I was allowed on a jury. I was in the jury box as a potential juror for a few days, but was challenged out.
- x87678r 6y ago
- grecy 6y agoIsn't Americans right to peaceful assembly one of the things that makes the country great? Without it, how are people supposed to demonstrate about things they want the government to change? How can democracy function?
- Ar-Curunir 6y ago“I love authority”