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Based on the popularity of the language alone, I can say rather definitely the latter.

by axaxs 6y ago

MereInterest 6y ago
I'm sure that being backed by the largest software/advertising company in the world has nothing to do with its adoption rate, and that popularity is a direct mapping of quality of a programming language.
- shirro 6y ago
  The Google backing and hype kept me away from Go for years. After being stuck with a succession of scripting languages that weren't doing it for me and being frustrated at the time it takes to be as productive in something like c, Go is really the sweet spot of readability, reliability and productivity for me. I think the Google backing may not be as advantageous as some people think. Dart did not become a popular language and would probably have died out if Flutter hadn't come along.
  - pansa2 6y ago
    Yeah, Go being from Google is not necessarily a good thing. It means the language is under the control of a single company and, what's more, a company that is well-known for giving up on many of its projects.
    - dhagz 6y ago
      And the open-source aspect of Go's development is managed entirely in Google services (the dev mailing list is a Google Group, you can't contribute without a Gmail address...the list is long). Sure it's hosted on GitHub, but the majority of the real conversations are elsewhere.
  - Ericson2314 6y ago
    > frustrated at the time it takes to be as productive in something like c Don't worry, no is productive in something like c > After being stuck with a succession of scripting languages that weren't doing it for me I am saddened yet also consoled everyone that likes Go comes from the scripting languages. That's such a low bar to beat!
- geodel 6y ago
  Right. Programing languages by advertising companies have high adoption rate.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    Well, dev-oriented projects by Google and Facebook fair well...
  - takeda 6y ago
    You're saying that as if it's not true How many languages are there released by advertising companies? Just to show the influence, python was an obscure programming language until Google started using it.
    - albertsondev 6y ago
      A good example lies in Kotlin, as well.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Actually no, Zope was quite famous during the first .com wave. But Python has had many interesting sponsors throughout the years, not only Google.
- scarface74 6y ago
  I would think that would be a knock against it with the reputation of Google abandoning projects.
- ori_b 6y ago
  Yeah. That's why it's about as successful as Dart.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    I guess the political wars of JavaScript vs Dart, ChromiumVM and Chrome team dropping Dart on the floor, causing the departure of the original design team, kind of helped to Dart's success. The political wars at Google with Dart are quite visible from outside, with Fuchsia picking up Flutter, and strangely the future of Android UI looks pretty much like Flutter, after too many times asking Android team about what was their opinion on Flutter for Android development at IO Fireside, meanwhile the developers' survey has had questions about how much we cared to see it supported on Kotlin multi-platform. So yeah, had Chrome decided to push Chromium VM no matter what, Dart would be as successful as Go by now, after all younger generations don't seem to have any problem being Chrome developers.
    - imtringued 6y ago
      Dart is an example of what happens to a language when corporate support is taken away. People lose confidence in the language.
coldtea 6y ago
The popularity compared to what? How do the numbers stack up?
- axaxs 6y ago
  Oh, I'm not by any means saying it's the most popular language. I'm just comparing strictly based on the comment, people who like go vs people who will never use it because of its lack of generics.
mantap 6y ago
Java has genetics and it is many times more popular than Go. I'm not sure absolute adoption of Go is a good way of divining programmers opinions on genetics.

Based on the popularity of the language alone, I can say rather definitely the latter.

by axaxs 6y ago

Based on the popularity of the language alone, I can say rather definitely the latter.

I'm sure that being backed by the largest software/advertising company in the world has nothing to do with its adoption rate, and that popularity is a direct mapping of quality of a programming language.

shirro 6y ago
The Google backing and hype kept me away from Go for years. After being stuck with a succession of scripting languages that weren't doing it for me and being frustrated at the time it takes to be as productive in something like c, Go is really the sweet spot of readability, reliability and productivity for me. I think the Google backing may not be as advantageous as some people think. Dart did not become a popular language and would probably have died out if Flutter hadn't come along.
- pansa2 6y ago
  Yeah, Go being from Google is not necessarily a good thing. It means the language is under the control of a single company and, what's more, a company that is well-known for giving up on many of its projects.
  - dhagz 6y ago
    And the open-source aspect of Go's development is managed entirely in Google services (the dev mailing list is a Google Group, you can't contribute without a Gmail address...the list is long). Sure it's hosted on GitHub, but the majority of the real conversations are elsewhere.
- Ericson2314 6y ago
  > frustrated at the time it takes to be as productive in something like c Don't worry, no is productive in something like c > After being stuck with a succession of scripting languages that weren't doing it for me I am saddened yet also consoled everyone that likes Go comes from the scripting languages. That's such a low bar to beat!
geodel 6y ago
Right. Programing languages by advertising companies have high adoption rate.
- coldtea 6y ago
  Well, dev-oriented projects by Google and Facebook fair well...
- takeda 6y ago
  You're saying that as if it's not true How many languages are there released by advertising companies? Just to show the influence, python was an obscure programming language until Google started using it.
  - albertsondev 6y ago
    A good example lies in Kotlin, as well.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Actually no, Zope was quite famous during the first .com wave. But Python has had many interesting sponsors throughout the years, not only Google.
scarface74 6y ago
I would think that would be a knock against it with the reputation of Google abandoning projects.
ori_b 6y ago
Yeah. That's why it's about as successful as Dart.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  I guess the political wars of JavaScript vs Dart, ChromiumVM and Chrome team dropping Dart on the floor, causing the departure of the original design team, kind of helped to Dart's success. The political wars at Google with Dart are quite visible from outside, with Fuchsia picking up Flutter, and strangely the future of Android UI looks pretty much like Flutter, after too many times asking Android team about what was their opinion on Flutter for Android development at IO Fireside, meanwhile the developers' survey has had questions about how much we cared to see it supported on Kotlin multi-platform. So yeah, had Chrome decided to push Chromium VM no matter what, Dart would be as successful as Go by now, after all younger generations don't seem to have any problem being Chrome developers.
  - imtringued 6y ago
    Dart is an example of what happens to a language when corporate support is taken away. People lose confidence in the language.

coldtea 6y ago

The popularity compared to what? How do the numbers stack up?

axaxs 6y ago
Oh, I'm not by any means saying it's the most popular language. I'm just comparing strictly based on the comment, people who like go vs people who will never use it because of its lack of generics.

mantap 6y ago

Java has genetics and it is many times more popular than Go. I'm not sure absolute adoption of Go is a good way of divining programmers opinions on genetics.