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A Tesla YouTuber Wants a Gas Car and Now YouTube Keeps Taking Down His Video
- rightbyte 6y agoIt is quite similar to function of "down votes" on eg. Reddit and Hacker News, where the righteous can hide contributions from dissidents. I feel proper moderation against a rule set is the way to go, not automatic deletion or banning from "disagree votes".
- nutjob2 6y agoI think one could argue that having downvote functionality at all is counterproductive. What exactly is gained by downvoting posts versus the undeniable censorship of dissenting views and enabling personal grievances and biases? "I don't know why you were downvoted" seems to be HN's unofficial motto.
- Roboprog 6y agoYou keep that up, and you’ll be hell banned next. I hear you, but I don’t pay for this toy, and the owner(s) run it as they see fit. I do agree with you though that I dislike down voting.
- briefcomment 6y agoDownvoting is essentially denying someone the chance to have their voice be heard. If it's something egregiously bad, flag it. If you simply don't agree with the statement, leave a comment to hash it out. We want all information that's not outright wrong or uncalled for so we can get to the best understanding. Downvoting hides viewpoints and makes us work with less information. It also powerfully biases people against a viewpoint, often unjustifiably. Downvoting would be fine if we all always used strong reasoning in good faith. I don't think that happens for most downvotes.
- Fjolsvith 6y agoDownvote mechanism discussed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22794857 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22794857
- panpanna 6y agoYou would be surprised how often flagging is abused on HN. Say something that puts certain companies (you know who you are) in really bad light and your post will be magically flagged.
- pengaru 6y agoThere should at least be a setting akin to "show dead" that inhibits the censorship^Wdownvotes-coloring.
- Wowfunhappy 6y agoIf you click the "X time ago" link above a post, you can read it with full contrast.
- Gibbon1 6y agoMy trans friends say flagging is just another tool that's wielded against them.
- Gibbon1 6y agoStay classy HN
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- ncmncm 6y agoI typically see this on remarks involving Apple or Microsoft, less so others. (Not sure about Tesla.) I suspect that MS employs a mouse army, but the reason is a mystery; my guess is it is just because they can. Apple downvoting appears to be more fanboi driven.
- dang 6y agoI don't believe that's true. People imagine all kinds of things—invariably sinister, and invariably based on their personal likes and dislikes. The vast majority of this is over-interpreted randomness. That's why the site guidelines ask you not to post evidenceless insinuations of astroturfing or brigading: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. There needs to be something objective to go on, not just however the mind connects the dots based on a few data points. People with opposite tastes to yours connect the dots in an entirely contradictory way, I assure you.
- ncr100 6y agoIs there counter-action taken by YouTube against people who expressed a "bullying" or "harassing" vote? When using a group-chat system, it's possible to abuse anti-spam reporting. One design idea is to punish those who were involved in an "unjust report". This requires a "justification evaluation" - that can be done by a moderator, or by a broader community vote. Does YT remove the ability to harass other YT users if that power is clearly being abused?
- chillacy 6y agoI know there's an entire black mirror episode about this [1] but it would be interesting to have some skin in the game for people who submit "unjust reports", even if it's some sort of trust score. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hated_in_the_Nation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hated_in_the_Nation
- Alupis 6y agoSome video games take it a step further and say it may result in your account being banned if you are found to have filed to many false "cheating" reports against other players.
- xsmasher 6y agoProbably not a priority for YT; they have a lot to lose from leaving up "bad" videos, and less at stake from erring on the side of removal.
- aeternum 6y agoIt should be a priority for them, lots of creators are switching off of YT due to how easily their videos are taken down and demonetized. This will cause other platforms to win eventually but Google might be too large to care.
- nutjob2 6y agoWhat is unbelievable about this story (and other similar ones reported here) is that YouTube enables bad actors by not making their own reviews definitive. What's also surprising is Tesla's pettiness and thin-skin response to Rich's videos, having banned him from their referral programme because they don't like them, and which are entirely benign, if a little provocative.
- ed25519FUUU 6y ago> “The Tesla fanboys formed like Voltron and ganged up to flag my video for removal on youtube,” Benoit said in a tweet. “The video which was flagged for ‘inappropriate content’ was about me selling my Tesla and buying a gas car instead.” The algorithms strike again. This had nothing to do with EV or gas cars, but rather people spam flagging a post. I see this happen all of the time on other platforms such as twitter, but that's almost always because of political reasons.
- nutjob2 6y agoThis was a political reason: supporters of EVs took offence and abused the content reporting system. In his videos he quite often reads hate mail he's receive from such people who are outraged by even the slightest dig at Elon, Tesla or EVs.
- xkjkls 6y agoStay on brand, I guess
- RealStickman_ 6y agoIt should simply not be possible to have your video taken down automatically after having undergone a manual appeal for that same video. At the very least YouTube should have somebody look through the video again.
- aeternum 6y agoI don't disagree, but this could incentivize spammers to just upload tons of videos then 'manually' appeal them all. Maybe some threshold around subscriber count or views would help.
- ramblerman 6y agoSure, but this guy has an established account, and I'm assuming there is no track record of spam. It should be able to distinguish that.
- JungleGymSam 6y agoMaybe but surely you don't believe someone couldn't come up with a reasonable solution to that problem, right?
- ianai 6y agoI’m more curious what his reasoning was. This would be useful information for Tesla potentially, investors, or just people interested in the cars.
- natch 6y agofwiw he’s getting rid of a rebuilt, salvaged vehicle, not a current production Tesla. So the video title is arguably a little bit misleading and clickbait.
- tibbydudeza 6y agoNot Tesla but rather the toxic section of their fandom.