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> or fly out from the country with the highest number of infections Are there exemptions in place for when it is difficult to actually return to country of ori

> or fly out from the country with the highest number of infections Are there exemptions in place for when it is difficult to actually return to country of origin? (e.g. it remains very difficult to fly into China)

dsfdsfsdfasd 6y ago
It's difficult, if not impossible, to fly to basically any country from the US. The EU is currently debating exemptions for spouses who have been separated, so I doubt they have exemptions for students. And even if the exemptions and all are sorted out, who thinks it's a great idea for a whole bunch of students to have to fly in what will now potentially be crowded planes, and then have to spend at least a couple of weeks in quarantine, for something that was not a choice of theirs at all. Also, as if the rental/retail market wasn't bad enough, especially in college towns many of which are single industry towns, this is gonna add to even more completely unnecessary and avoidable hardship. This is disastrous policy in every form, other than if youre someone who gets off on unnecessary cruelty.
- mynameisvlad 6y ago
  In this case, the students would be returning home, and therefore be citizens of the country they are flying to. Generally speaking (including the EU, which you mentioned), citizens are exempt from the travel bans. Even during the quarantine, there were once-a-week flights to China from the US (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/business/us-china-flights-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/business/us-china-flights-int...) Not saying that these changes aren't horrible, they are, but I don't think getting home is impossible. Very difficult, in most cases yes.
- Voloskaya 6y ago
  > The EU is currently debating exemptions for spouses who have been separated, so I doubt they have exemptions for students. Presumably, most students kicked out of the US would fly to their home countries where their status isn't "student". > who thinks it's a great idea [...] Most of Trump's voter base, sadly. Less immigrants in the U.S. is the only metric they care about.
- cm2187 6y ago
  I haven’t heard of any country turning down their own nationals returning home.
  - usaar333 6y ago
    China effectively is by limiting flights.
    - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
      I finally shelled out the $ for the paid version of a flight radar app because I was curious. The friendly skies are mostly empty. 85ish% of all flights in and out of Bay Area is from/to China. I always had the free version but the paid version will ping me every time a flight goes over me(my phone actually) and for a mere $6.99/month, I can find out the air traffic of the area. It’s an affordable hobby for covid. I highly recommend it. I don’t know what it really means but just an observation.
      - gene91 6y ago
        You may be looking at freight flights. There are 8 (4 until recently) pairs of commercial passenger flights between US and mainland China per week. 2 of those starts/ends Bay Area.
        jelliclesfarm 6y ago
        That’s what I thought too. The really tiny number of other flights illustrates how much air traffic has diminished. Fascinating.
    - mynameisvlad 6y ago
      That's not the same thing at all. There's always been a flight a week from the US to China, so even if it takes a while, it's still possible. Especially so with at least a month's notice.
      - 6y ago
seanmcdirmid 6y ago
Only a visa extension (I-539), which will cost you > 400 bucks. We just went through with this for my mother in law, whose Delta return flight was cancelled a week before she was to go back after an almost 6 month stay. Fortunately, the USCIS is being pretty accommodating on letting people file extensions close to the end of their stays (usually you have to do it 45 days in advance), and she will probably go back before they even decide her case, hopefully (but she will have to carry around her I-539 app/judgement for awhile). We've got her booked on a flight at the end of October, which is the best we can do right now. There are flights to China that you can get tomorrow through Taiwan or Hong Kong, but neither will allow you to board if you aren't Taiwanese or from Hong Kong (so no mainlanders). The remaining direct flights are in very limited supply and very hard to get and/or very expensive.

dsfdsfsdfasd 6y ago

It's difficult, if not impossible, to fly to basically any country from the US. The EU is currently debating exemptions for spouses who have been separated, so I doubt they have exemptions for students. And even if the exemptions and all are sorted out, who thinks it's a great idea for a whole bunch of students to have to fly in what will now potentially be crowded planes, and then have to spend at least a couple of weeks in quarantine, for something that was not a choice of theirs at all. Also, as if the rental/retail market wasn't bad enough, especially in college towns many of which are single industry towns, this is gonna add to even more completely unnecessary and avoidable hardship. This is disastrous policy in every form, other than if youre someone who gets off on unnecessary cruelty.

mynameisvlad 6y ago
In this case, the students would be returning home, and therefore be citizens of the country they are flying to. Generally speaking (including the EU, which you mentioned), citizens are exempt from the travel bans. Even during the quarantine, there were once-a-week flights to China from the US (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/business/us-china-flights-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/business/us-china-flights-int...) Not saying that these changes aren't horrible, they are, but I don't think getting home is impossible. Very difficult, in most cases yes.
Voloskaya 6y ago
> The EU is currently debating exemptions for spouses who have been separated, so I doubt they have exemptions for students. Presumably, most students kicked out of the US would fly to their home countries where their status isn't "student". > who thinks it's a great idea [...] Most of Trump's voter base, sadly. Less immigrants in the U.S. is the only metric they care about.
cm2187 6y ago
I haven’t heard of any country turning down their own nationals returning home.
- usaar333 6y ago
  China effectively is by limiting flights.
  - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
    I finally shelled out the $ for the paid version of a flight radar app because I was curious. The friendly skies are mostly empty. 85ish% of all flights in and out of Bay Area is from/to China. I always had the free version but the paid version will ping me every time a flight goes over me(my phone actually) and for a mere $6.99/month, I can find out the air traffic of the area. It’s an affordable hobby for covid. I highly recommend it. I don’t know what it really means but just an observation.
    - gene91 6y ago
      You may be looking at freight flights. There are 8 (4 until recently) pairs of commercial passenger flights between US and mainland China per week. 2 of those starts/ends Bay Area.
      - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
        That’s what I thought too. The really tiny number of other flights illustrates how much air traffic has diminished. Fascinating.
  - mynameisvlad 6y ago
    That's not the same thing at all. There's always been a flight a week from the US to China, so even if it takes a while, it's still possible. Especially so with at least a month's notice.
    - 6y ago

seanmcdirmid 6y ago

Only a visa extension (I-539), which will cost you > 400 bucks. We just went through with this for my mother in law, whose Delta return flight was cancelled a week before she was to go back after an almost 6 month stay. Fortunately, the USCIS is being pretty accommodating on letting people file extensions close to the end of their stays (usually you have to do it 45 days in advance), and she will probably go back before they even decide her case, hopefully (but she will have to carry around her I-539 app/judgement for awhile). We've got her booked on a flight at the end of October, which is the best we can do right now. There are flights to China that you can get tomorrow through Taiwan or Hong Kong, but neither will allow you to board if you aren't Taiwanese or from Hong Kong (so no mainlanders). The remaining direct flights are in very limited supply and very hard to get and/or very expensive.