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"A free library of psychological principles and examples for inspiration to enhance the customer experience and connect with your users." Translation: use pop

by ergl 6y ago

"A free library of psychological principles and examples for inspiration to enhance the customer experience and connect with your users." Translation: use pop psychology to manipulate your customers into spending money and giving you personal information.

amelius 6y ago
Yes, this is literally hacking of the mind. These people should be thrown in jail like blackhat hackers.
- slx26 6y ago
  logic applied abstractly leads to maths, maths applied to our surroundings leads to physics, physics applied to our ideas leads to engineering. now let's repeat the process for psychology and enjoy our new engineering discipline, manipulation for everyone. unsurprising. at some point it becomes easier to hack human responses than improve the products. we used to call this scamming. now it's business 101. please join, like and subscribe. sorry for the cynical take, can't help it once a day
  - raxxorrax 6y ago
    There isn't enough cynicism on this planet for statements on sales psychology.
  - crawfordcomeaux 6y ago
    Reading this comment is an experiment in self-hacking. I'm the only human I know who even considers giving informed consent like the previous statement, much less currently does it. People probably don't because it's true for everything in the world; we're all programming each other and ourselves all the time. It's time to mainstream discussions of what white-/grey-hat human hacking looks like. For me, it looks like changing my name to Peacefully Revoking Consent To Be Governed For You And For All, establishing a party & Super PAC for dismantling the United States of America, and running for president as the first openly genderfluid, pansexual, and polyamorous candidate on a platform of recognizing as individual nations all persons who want to be recognized as one, dynamically redesigning governance at the point of interaction with any person/nation (when they want to revoke consent to be governed), creating continuous elections and removing all voting restrictions (especially based on age or felonies), and promising to veto any legislation not applying category theory to prove the law meets all needs while denying none. I hope the campaign helps to usher in a new era of people more intentionally hacking themselves and others for the creation of sustainable cultures. And for people to start learning how to protect against dark patterns.
    - slx26 6y ago
      Yes, we are all programming each other and ourselves all the time. You are not the only human with this kind of concerns. When I was younger, I avoided giving my opinion in many cases because I didn't know if it was ok to do that, as it might change the views of other people in ways that I didn't feel would always be positive for them. As I grew up, I noticed it didn't matter that much, as people are very resilient to changing their minds; their emotional perspective and priorities dominate their views, not their rational considerations. In any case, while knowing where to draw the line is extremely hard, it's obvious there has to be a line, and publically sharing your opinion without any hidden motive is fundamentally different from attempting to lead others in a path that benefits your interests without regards for how that affects others or how it differs from your genuinely perceived truth (manipulation).
    - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
      Keep in mind, anyone who seriously took this idea and ran with it... Was swiftly put to death.
      - crawfordcomeaux 6y ago
        Yeah. I'm inviting BIPOC to come forward and run with the platform. I'll drop out of they ask. Until then, I'm working on an "In case of death/martyrdom" set of instructions.
        TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
        You previous comment tickled the hell out of me, btw. I’ve been saying, for at least a decade: I’ll move to whichever country has the first poor transgendered pregnant black wrongly incarcerated, death-row female Scottish heroin addict meth dealer pedophile priest insect from another planet as its leader. Until then, I can’t take politics seriously as it’s run my normal people right across the board, all the way up and down.
        crawfordcomeaux 6y ago
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
  Maybe not all of them. Criminals are necessary for a healthy functioning society.
  - tlb 6y ago
    Can you give some examples of what would go wrong with no criminals?
    - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
      What kind of world do you imagine has no criminals? Sounds horrifying! You’d have to either be ignoring deviation, or genuinely homogeneous. There are no examples of this in nature: there are always outliers, there’s always a gradient.
- hobofan 6y ago
  Where do you draw the line? Should we also throw all sales people in jail that use most of the same techniques during negotiation?
iamacyborg 6y ago
Relevant link: https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3400899.3400901 https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3400899.3400901 "Although they have recently burst into mainstream awareness, dark patterns are the result of three decades-long trends: one from the world of retail (deceptive web services practices), one from research and public policy (nudging), and the third from the design community (growth hacking)."
DomenicoMazza 6y ago
The site is about blatant manipulation through digital media which are called 'dark patterns' it's not 'digital psychology'
- taneq 6y ago
  People who call it "digital psychology" are probably trying to tell themselves that it's OK to do this stuff and that they're not the baddies.
  - DomenicoMazza 6y ago
    Possibly, they might also think the only purpose or use of psychology is for that effect. I'm studying psychology in my spare time and it is an amazing tool for unlocking human potential. The only reason to know about 'dark patterns' is to grow up and find better ways to capture value through digital media by actually doing something for the user.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
      > The only reason Are you certain _you_ have divined _the_ only reason already? In your _spare time_.
      - DomenicoMazza 6y ago
        I don't really click with what you're saying. It sounds like a riddle to me. To be clearer I could have said 'the only good reason'. Implying any other use that I can think of (while lucrative) is nefarious.

by ergl 6y ago

amelius 6y ago

Yes, this is literally hacking of the mind. These people should be thrown in jail like blackhat hackers.

slx26 6y ago
logic applied abstractly leads to maths, maths applied to our surroundings leads to physics, physics applied to our ideas leads to engineering. now let's repeat the process for psychology and enjoy our new engineering discipline, manipulation for everyone. unsurprising. at some point it becomes easier to hack human responses than improve the products. we used to call this scamming. now it's business 101. please join, like and subscribe. sorry for the cynical take, can't help it once a day
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  There isn't enough cynicism on this planet for statements on sales psychology.
- crawfordcomeaux 6y ago
  Reading this comment is an experiment in self-hacking. I'm the only human I know who even considers giving informed consent like the previous statement, much less currently does it. People probably don't because it's true for everything in the world; we're all programming each other and ourselves all the time. It's time to mainstream discussions of what white-/grey-hat human hacking looks like. For me, it looks like changing my name to Peacefully Revoking Consent To Be Governed For You And For All, establishing a party & Super PAC for dismantling the United States of America, and running for president as the first openly genderfluid, pansexual, and polyamorous candidate on a platform of recognizing as individual nations all persons who want to be recognized as one, dynamically redesigning governance at the point of interaction with any person/nation (when they want to revoke consent to be governed), creating continuous elections and removing all voting restrictions (especially based on age or felonies), and promising to veto any legislation not applying category theory to prove the law meets all needs while denying none. I hope the campaign helps to usher in a new era of people more intentionally hacking themselves and others for the creation of sustainable cultures. And for people to start learning how to protect against dark patterns.
  - slx26 6y ago
    Yes, we are all programming each other and ourselves all the time. You are not the only human with this kind of concerns. When I was younger, I avoided giving my opinion in many cases because I didn't know if it was ok to do that, as it might change the views of other people in ways that I didn't feel would always be positive for them. As I grew up, I noticed it didn't matter that much, as people are very resilient to changing their minds; their emotional perspective and priorities dominate their views, not their rational considerations. In any case, while knowing where to draw the line is extremely hard, it's obvious there has to be a line, and publically sharing your opinion without any hidden motive is fundamentally different from attempting to lead others in a path that benefits your interests without regards for how that affects others or how it differs from your genuinely perceived truth (manipulation).
  - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
    Keep in mind, anyone who seriously took this idea and ran with it... Was swiftly put to death.
    - crawfordcomeaux 6y ago
      Yeah. I'm inviting BIPOC to come forward and run with the platform. I'll drop out of they ask. Until then, I'm working on an "In case of death/martyrdom" set of instructions.
      - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
        You previous comment tickled the hell out of me, btw. I’ve been saying, for at least a decade: I’ll move to whichever country has the first poor transgendered pregnant black wrongly incarcerated, death-row female Scottish heroin addict meth dealer pedophile priest insect from another planet as its leader. Until then, I can’t take politics seriously as it’s run my normal people right across the board, all the way up and down.
        crawfordcomeaux 6y ago
TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
Maybe not all of them. Criminals are necessary for a healthy functioning society.
- tlb 6y ago
  Can you give some examples of what would go wrong with no criminals?
  - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
    What kind of world do you imagine has no criminals? Sounds horrifying! You’d have to either be ignoring deviation, or genuinely homogeneous. There are no examples of this in nature: there are always outliers, there’s always a gradient.
hobofan 6y ago
Where do you draw the line? Should we also throw all sales people in jail that use most of the same techniques during negotiation?

iamacyborg 6y ago

Relevant link: https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3400899.3400901 https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3400899.3400901 "Although they have recently burst into mainstream awareness, dark patterns are the result of three decades-long trends: one from the world of retail (deceptive web services practices), one from research and public policy (nudging), and the third from the design community (growth hacking)."

DomenicoMazza 6y ago

The site is about blatant manipulation through digital media which are called 'dark patterns' it's not 'digital psychology'

taneq 6y ago
People who call it "digital psychology" are probably trying to tell themselves that it's OK to do this stuff and that they're not the baddies.
- DomenicoMazza 6y ago
  Possibly, they might also think the only purpose or use of psychology is for that effect. I'm studying psychology in my spare time and it is an amazing tool for unlocking human potential. The only reason to know about 'dark patterns' is to grow up and find better ways to capture value through digital media by actually doing something for the user.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
    > The only reason Are you certain _you_ have divined _the_ only reason already? In your _spare time_.
    - DomenicoMazza 6y ago
      I don't really click with what you're saying. It sounds like a riddle to me. To be clearer I could have said 'the only good reason'. Implying any other use that I can think of (while lucrative) is nefarious.