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The Netflix documentary on Epstein definitely painted her and others in a bad light. Not that she didn't already look guilty. As someone else mentioned, I'm su

The Netflix documentary on Epstein definitely painted her and others in a bad light. Not that she didn't already look guilty. As someone else mentioned, I'm surprised she was in the US.

iandanforth 6y ago
To be clear, "bad light" here means testimony from multiple victims that she frequently participated in the seduction and rape of underage girls.
- tyingq 6y ago
  I'd add recruitment, under false pretenses, to that list.
  - blondin 6y ago
    iirc, she settled at some point with an accuser too... anyways, i am impressed by how much conspiracy the whole story has garnered so far. even hn does not seem immune to this one. this is just weird!
    - catalogia 6y ago
      It's beyond dispute that intelligence agencies are real, therefore it seems beyond dispute that sometimes somethings really are 'conspiracies.' (I really hate that term. It used to have meaning, before the assassinations of JFK and Oswald.)
      - andybak 6y ago
        It's not unreasonable to believe in conspiracy theories based around 3-letter agencies. The kind of conspiracy theories that one shouldn't give time of day to are the ones that involve an unprecedented level of cooperation between multiple groups of people not known to have the discipline to keep things secret. If your conspiracy theory involves "most scientists" or "a large number of non-aligned nation states" then it's probably crazy talk. If however it just involves security agencies and small groups of powerful people then it's might be worth considering.
        marcthe12 6y ago
        Also in some case where there is high chance of actual conspiracy like JFK or Epstein case it gets hijacked by crazies making the theories wild.
        was8309 6y ago
        hijacked by a mix of crazies - and 3-letter agencies - making the theories wild, and hence 'nothing to see here, move on'
    - jml7c5 6y ago
      HN has been oddly eager about conspiracy theories over the last year. That Navy UFO story (and various other articles from The Drive) got more play than I would have expected. More recently, the TikTok "reveal" from a reddit comment. Does HN post monthly user numbers anywhere? I wonder if there was a demographic change, or if I'm just imagining it. Of course, it could just be the world changing; the world (or perhaps just the US) does seem to be more engaged with conspiracy theories and inflammatory agenda sharing these days.
      - zozbot234 6y ago
        Urban legends and conspiracy stories have always been popular in hacker and Internet-centric culture. There is nothing new under the sun.
      - r721 6y ago
        dang: "It's more like 150M visits a month. Edit: 147M in September. Edit 2: I'm talking about page views, plus ajax requests like collapsing subthreads." (2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21201120 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21201120
      - me_me_me 6y ago
        This is a geek forum, is it that surprising that when conspiracy with some credible people (UFO stuff), or coincidences so big that it everyone accepts it as reality (Epstein), than people would want to discuss it. UFO stuff is just fun to talk about or entertain. Epstein is revolting look into what really happens with powerful people. He was just a tip of an iceberg, killed to keep the lid on. You'd be a fool to think he was the mastermind pedophile rapist holding half of elites by throat all by his own.
Mirioron 6y ago
>The Netflix documentary on Epstein definitely painted her and others in a bad light. I've wondered about this point. If you've watched the documentary then does that make you ineligible to be on the jury because you'd be considered biased?
- docdeek 6y ago
  My understanding (IANAL) is that being aware of a high profile case from media reports or documentaries or such things is not by itself disqualifying. It comes down to whether the juror can maintain an open mind and base their vote fairly on the evidence in the trial. If this was not the case then it would be difficult for any high profile national figure to secure a jury trial in any jurisdiction.
  - monkeynotes 6y ago
    This explains the process https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peremptory_challenge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peremptory_challenge
- xeromal 6y ago
  yeah, full stop. I wouldn't lie when questioned about that either.
  - ponker 6y ago
    Very bad to lie about this because the court can easily subpoena Netflix records to see that you did.
no-dr-onboard 6y ago
Somehow I recall her appearing in court documents as very guilty[1]. Its still unclear to me why it took too long for her arrest to happen. 1. https://www.scribd.com/document/421319777/Maxwell-All-Searchable#from_embed https://www.scribd.com/document/421319777/Maxwell-All-Search...
hnanon1 6y ago
There have been numerous articles of late that quote her as being in France because of the favorable extradition laws for their citizens, so yes it does strike me as extremely odd.

The Netflix documentary on Epstein definitely painted her and others in a bad light. Not that she didn't already look guilty. As someone else mentioned, I'm surprised she was in the US.

iandanforth 6y ago

To be clear, "bad light" here means testimony from multiple victims that she frequently participated in the seduction and rape of underage girls.

tyingq 6y ago
I'd add recruitment, under false pretenses, to that list.
- blondin 6y ago
  iirc, she settled at some point with an accuser too... anyways, i am impressed by how much conspiracy the whole story has garnered so far. even hn does not seem immune to this one. this is just weird!
  - catalogia 6y ago
    It's beyond dispute that intelligence agencies are real, therefore it seems beyond dispute that sometimes somethings really are 'conspiracies.' (I really hate that term. It used to have meaning, before the assassinations of JFK and Oswald.)
    - andybak 6y ago
      It's not unreasonable to believe in conspiracy theories based around 3-letter agencies. The kind of conspiracy theories that one shouldn't give time of day to are the ones that involve an unprecedented level of cooperation between multiple groups of people not known to have the discipline to keep things secret. If your conspiracy theory involves "most scientists" or "a large number of non-aligned nation states" then it's probably crazy talk. If however it just involves security agencies and small groups of powerful people then it's might be worth considering.
      - marcthe12 6y ago
        Also in some case where there is high chance of actual conspiracy like JFK or Epstein case it gets hijacked by crazies making the theories wild.
        was8309 6y ago
        hijacked by a mix of crazies - and 3-letter agencies - making the theories wild, and hence 'nothing to see here, move on'
  - jml7c5 6y ago
    HN has been oddly eager about conspiracy theories over the last year. That Navy UFO story (and various other articles from The Drive) got more play than I would have expected. More recently, the TikTok "reveal" from a reddit comment. Does HN post monthly user numbers anywhere? I wonder if there was a demographic change, or if I'm just imagining it. Of course, it could just be the world changing; the world (or perhaps just the US) does seem to be more engaged with conspiracy theories and inflammatory agenda sharing these days.
    - zozbot234 6y ago
      Urban legends and conspiracy stories have always been popular in hacker and Internet-centric culture. There is nothing new under the sun.
    - r721 6y ago
      dang: "It's more like 150M visits a month. Edit: 147M in September. Edit 2: I'm talking about page views, plus ajax requests like collapsing subthreads." (2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21201120 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21201120
    - me_me_me 6y ago
      This is a geek forum, is it that surprising that when conspiracy with some credible people (UFO stuff), or coincidences so big that it everyone accepts it as reality (Epstein), than people would want to discuss it. UFO stuff is just fun to talk about or entertain. Epstein is revolting look into what really happens with powerful people. He was just a tip of an iceberg, killed to keep the lid on. You'd be a fool to think he was the mastermind pedophile rapist holding half of elites by throat all by his own.

Mirioron 6y ago

>The Netflix documentary on Epstein definitely painted her and others in a bad light. I've wondered about this point. If you've watched the documentary then does that make you ineligible to be on the jury because you'd be considered biased?

docdeek 6y ago
My understanding (IANAL) is that being aware of a high profile case from media reports or documentaries or such things is not by itself disqualifying. It comes down to whether the juror can maintain an open mind and base their vote fairly on the evidence in the trial. If this was not the case then it would be difficult for any high profile national figure to secure a jury trial in any jurisdiction.
- monkeynotes 6y ago
  This explains the process https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peremptory_challenge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peremptory_challenge
xeromal 6y ago
yeah, full stop. I wouldn't lie when questioned about that either.
- ponker 6y ago
  Very bad to lie about this because the court can easily subpoena Netflix records to see that you did.

no-dr-onboard 6y ago

Somehow I recall her appearing in court documents as very guilty[1]. Its still unclear to me why it took too long for her arrest to happen. 1. https://www.scribd.com/document/421319777/Maxwell-All-Searchable#from_embed https://www.scribd.com/document/421319777/Maxwell-All-Search...

hnanon1 6y ago

There have been numerous articles of late that quote her as being in France because of the favorable extradition laws for their citizens, so yes it does strike me as extremely odd.