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Unpopular opinion: articles like this are just designed to shame people who don’t buy into the popular opinion. Not even all medical experts agree on the best c

Unpopular opinion: articles like this are just designed to shame people who don’t buy into the popular opinion. Not even all medical experts agree on the best course of action regarding herd immunity, sip, etc. For the other 5% of the article, there could be other dynamics at play that got those employees fired, though Tesla has a less than stellar reputation for work life balance.

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almost_usual 6y ago
Operate like the Shanghai factory, done. Tesla doesn’t care unless there are steep penalties. They wouldn’t get away with this in their Shanghai factory.
- sbussard 6y ago
  Shanghai, the symbol of freedom
  - almost_usual 6y ago
    A comment that avoids the entire subject of safety and health at work but immediately changes the subject to politics. Constructive! Tesla is a hypocrite company, Larry Page is on the board and donates millions to a climate change denier (Trump). They only care about making money. If they can skirt protocol to save cash in the US they will.
    - dekhn 6y ago
      You confused Larry Page with Larry Ellison.
      - almost_usual 6y ago
        You are completely right, I had Larry Ellison in my mind but Page came out instead. Unfortunately I cannot edit my comment.
    - sbussard 6y ago
      Bad habit, sorry. America doesn’t have the benefit of learning from operating at the scale of cities like Shanghai. It’s hard to avoid politics because China’s system of government is completely different than the US, and incompatible philosophically. But there is validity to what you said - learn from those who do.
    - skellington 6y ago
      Sure, the best way to make money if all you care about it money is to invest your personal wealth into an electric car startup company.
emiliobumachar 6y ago
I disagree. While this could still be an honest mistake, if done intentionally it definitely goes beyond civil disobedience. Given the decision to reopen the factory and terminate employees that do not show up, there's no justification for misleading them about their options.
- sbussard 6y ago
  Agreed. But the main content of the article was more about Covid 19 than the employees, and it seems more like a piece to shape thoughts by reinforcing ideas about public health policy than to discuss the employees’ welfare. More shame than substance.
devalgo 6y ago
>Not even all medical experts agree on the best course of action regarding herd immunity... This is a dubious claim at best. That being said the real problem is that Musk made the decision about how much risk is acceptable for his employees without their input and seems to be retaliating against those who disagreed.
- sbussard 6y ago
  That’s the secondary issue at best. The primary issue is that the government has done exactly that to the people and media has taken it upon themselves to shape and enforce sociological norms. Shelter in place causes major health risks to a subset of the population. Shelter in place is a tradeoff of public health. But when the economy, rights, and other major factors are considered, it looks less like a tradeoff and more like a betrayal. > This is a dubious claim at best Ask any microbiologist.
  - devalgo 6y ago
    >But when the economy, rights, and other major factors are considered, it looks less like a tradeoff and more like a betrayal. This is just crazy. Every other major country in the world has essentially beaten the virus with mask wearing and lockdowns and the US is about to have another devastating wave of cases in almost every major city outside the Notheast because people like you that are astonishingly selfish and arrogant have flouted the process and actively oppose it. You're cutting off your head to spite your face. The economic considerations are secondary, we are probably looking at 500K deaths by 2021. That's World War level of deaths and your complaining about lockdowns and masks? Wtf is wrong with you, seriously. Learn empathy. People are dying. >Ask any microbiologist. So you've gone from "not all experts agree" to "all microbiologists agree". This is very poor form.
    - sbussard 6y ago
      Now we’re resorting to name calling are we? Let’s consider first principles, like microbiology, before jumping on the bandwagon of “everyone else is doing it” because circumstances vary widely. What is selfish is to ignore other factors that play an even more significant role than coronavirus, which has an extremely low mortality rate. I have not gone to “all microbiologists agree”, but rather that you ought to listen to what they have to say over a journalist or government official. It is a good time to learn empathy, and statistics, to avoid the kind of narrow thinking your last post vividly illustrated.

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almost_usual 6y ago

Operate like the Shanghai factory, done. Tesla doesn’t care unless there are steep penalties. They wouldn’t get away with this in their Shanghai factory.

sbussard 6y ago
Shanghai, the symbol of freedom
- almost_usual 6y ago
  A comment that avoids the entire subject of safety and health at work but immediately changes the subject to politics. Constructive! Tesla is a hypocrite company, Larry Page is on the board and donates millions to a climate change denier (Trump). They only care about making money. If they can skirt protocol to save cash in the US they will.
  - dekhn 6y ago
    You confused Larry Page with Larry Ellison.
    - almost_usual 6y ago
      You are completely right, I had Larry Ellison in my mind but Page came out instead. Unfortunately I cannot edit my comment.
  - sbussard 6y ago
    Bad habit, sorry. America doesn’t have the benefit of learning from operating at the scale of cities like Shanghai. It’s hard to avoid politics because China’s system of government is completely different than the US, and incompatible philosophically. But there is validity to what you said - learn from those who do.
  - skellington 6y ago
    Sure, the best way to make money if all you care about it money is to invest your personal wealth into an electric car startup company.

emiliobumachar 6y ago

I disagree. While this could still be an honest mistake, if done intentionally it definitely goes beyond civil disobedience. Given the decision to reopen the factory and terminate employees that do not show up, there's no justification for misleading them about their options.

sbussard 6y ago
Agreed. But the main content of the article was more about Covid 19 than the employees, and it seems more like a piece to shape thoughts by reinforcing ideas about public health policy than to discuss the employees’ welfare. More shame than substance.

devalgo 6y ago

>Not even all medical experts agree on the best course of action regarding herd immunity... This is a dubious claim at best. That being said the real problem is that Musk made the decision about how much risk is acceptable for his employees without their input and seems to be retaliating against those who disagreed.

sbussard 6y ago
That’s the secondary issue at best. The primary issue is that the government has done exactly that to the people and media has taken it upon themselves to shape and enforce sociological norms. Shelter in place causes major health risks to a subset of the population. Shelter in place is a tradeoff of public health. But when the economy, rights, and other major factors are considered, it looks less like a tradeoff and more like a betrayal. > This is a dubious claim at best Ask any microbiologist.
- devalgo 6y ago
  >But when the economy, rights, and other major factors are considered, it looks less like a tradeoff and more like a betrayal. This is just crazy. Every other major country in the world has essentially beaten the virus with mask wearing and lockdowns and the US is about to have another devastating wave of cases in almost every major city outside the Notheast because people like you that are astonishingly selfish and arrogant have flouted the process and actively oppose it. You're cutting off your head to spite your face. The economic considerations are secondary, we are probably looking at 500K deaths by 2021. That's World War level of deaths and your complaining about lockdowns and masks? Wtf is wrong with you, seriously. Learn empathy. People are dying. >Ask any microbiologist. So you've gone from "not all experts agree" to "all microbiologists agree". This is very poor form.
  - sbussard 6y ago
    Now we’re resorting to name calling are we? Let’s consider first principles, like microbiology, before jumping on the bandwagon of “everyone else is doing it” because circumstances vary widely. What is selfish is to ignore other factors that play an even more significant role than coronavirus, which has an extremely low mortality rate. I have not gone to “all microbiologists agree”, but rather that you ought to listen to what they have to say over a journalist or government official. It is a good time to learn empathy, and statistics, to avoid the kind of narrow thinking your last post vividly illustrated.