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The only remarkable fact about this leak is that us plebes get to see the other side of the one-way mirror.

by rmrfstar 6y ago

iamstupidsimple 6y ago
Hedge funds and investment banks are comparable to cartels?
- deleted 6y ago
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- monocasa 6y ago
  Some are. HSBC laundered billions of dollars for the cartels and no one went to jail over it. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/outrageous-hsbc-settlement-proves-the-drug-war-is-a-joke-230696/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/outrageo...
  - walrus01 6y ago
    I can already see some people thinking "but rolling stone isn't real journalism", so here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hsbc-s-1-9b-money-laundering-settlement-approved-by-judge-1.1377272 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hsbc-s-1-9b-money-launderin... https://www.bbc.com/news/business-18880269 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-18880269 https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/hsbc-holdings-plc-and-hsbc-bank-usa-na-admit-anti-money-laundering-and-sanctions-violations https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/hsbc-holdings-plc-and-hsbc-ba...
    - quickthrowman 6y ago
      Why would they think that? Matt Taibbi is well-known around here. Edit: Rolling Stone did take a credibility hit after Sabrina Rubin Erdley came clean about manufacturing parts of her college campus rape story, but that’s the only thing that comes to mind when I think about RS and journalistic credibility.
      - DanBC 6y ago
        A few people on HN get stuck on the debunked gang rape story, and feel that it destroys any credibility Rolling Stone had. (I'm not one of those people.) https://hn.algolia.com/?q=rolling+stone+rape https://hn.algolia.com/?q=rolling+stone+rape
        quickthrowman 6y ago
        Thanks for providing the link, I edited my comment to reflect that. I’m not one of those people either, that had to be embarrassing for them and I’m assuming they changed their editorial practices to avoid such things in the future.
      - bobthechef 6y ago
        How about this hit? https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rolling-stone-men-who-abstain-from-porn-are-dangerous-alt-righters/ https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rolling-sto...
        monocasa 6y ago
        The original article they're complaining about is pretty fair, and IMO, great journalism. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coomer-meme-no-nut-november-nofap-908676/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coomer...
        spoopyskelly 6y ago
        Boomers trying to explain 4chan is anything but great journalism.
    - dmd 6y ago
      > I can already see some people thinking "but rolling stone isn't real journalism" Does anyone under 80 think that?
      - walrus01 6y ago
        Probably some of the senators responsible for regulating banks, so yeah.
      - kyleblarson 6y ago
        A few UVA alumni likely think that.
macspoofing 6y ago
You get to see how the sausage is made in a developed country which is, by far, an outlier in its crime-rate. I'm all for increasing police de-escalation training and policing standards in-general, I just don't think it will solve the problems that the protestors want to be solved when the crime rate is as high as it is. Ultimately, the cops are going to get jaded and stressed in ways that cops in other nations would not, and they will always prioritize their life and well-being over that of the perpetrator. I was travelling a few years ago, and hanging out in the hotel bar in Portland, Maine, and I listened in on a heated conversation between some guy and a lady whose husband is a cop. They were discussing police brutality and the protests at the time (Baltimore maybe?), and the lady's point was basically "do whatever you want with regulating police behaviour, but I will take my husband coming home at the end of the night over anything else" It's possible with the falling rates of crime, this may just solve itself (though increasing police training and standards is a good thing regardless).
- halostatue 6y ago
  The crime rate in America is relatively low according to official data: - https://www.themarshallproject.org/2019/09/30/new-fbi-data-violent-crime-still-falling https://www.themarshallproject.org/2019/09/30/new-fbi-data-v... - https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/10/17/facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/10/17/facts-about... The latter indicates that, depending on which data you use, the violent crime rate dropped 50–75% between 1993 and 2018 (the larger drop is from BJS, which has some methodology for estimating unreported crimes). The property crime rate dropped at 50–70% over the same time period. Various actors in society—police gangs (sorry, “unions”), public prosecutors, for-profit prison operators, and straight up fascists—have been stoking fears of Americans for decades such that there are people who genuinely believe that America (as a whole) has more crime even when the numbers completely put a lie to that. I’m certain that the leaks from this will reinforce what we should already know: America is increasingly a surveillance state of its police against its people, that the police rarely end up doing the jobs that they are nominally hired for (solving crimes), and that there has been an overall reduction in crime but an increase in policing outsized compared to the value police forces provide. Don’t believe the bollocks.

The only remarkable fact about this leak is that us plebes get to see the other side of the one-way mirror.

iamstupidsimple 6y ago

Hedge funds and investment banks are comparable to cartels?

deleted 6y ago
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monocasa 6y ago
Some are. HSBC laundered billions of dollars for the cartels and no one went to jail over it. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/outrageous-hsbc-settlement-proves-the-drug-war-is-a-joke-230696/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/outrageo...
- walrus01 6y ago
  I can already see some people thinking "but rolling stone isn't real journalism", so here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hsbc-s-1-9b-money-laundering-settlement-approved-by-judge-1.1377272 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hsbc-s-1-9b-money-launderin... https://www.bbc.com/news/business-18880269 https://www.bbc.com/news/business-18880269 https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/hsbc-holdings-plc-and-hsbc-bank-usa-na-admit-anti-money-laundering-and-sanctions-violations https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/hsbc-holdings-plc-and-hsbc-ba...
  - quickthrowman 6y ago
    Why would they think that? Matt Taibbi is well-known around here. Edit: Rolling Stone did take a credibility hit after Sabrina Rubin Erdley came clean about manufacturing parts of her college campus rape story, but that’s the only thing that comes to mind when I think about RS and journalistic credibility.
    - DanBC 6y ago
      A few people on HN get stuck on the debunked gang rape story, and feel that it destroys any credibility Rolling Stone had. (I'm not one of those people.) https://hn.algolia.com/?q=rolling+stone+rape https://hn.algolia.com/?q=rolling+stone+rape
      - quickthrowman 6y ago
        Thanks for providing the link, I edited my comment to reflect that. I’m not one of those people either, that had to be embarrassing for them and I’m assuming they changed their editorial practices to avoid such things in the future.
    - bobthechef 6y ago
      How about this hit? https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rolling-stone-men-who-abstain-from-porn-are-dangerous-alt-righters/ https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/rolling-sto...
      - monocasa 6y ago
        The original article they're complaining about is pretty fair, and IMO, great journalism. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coomer-meme-no-nut-november-nofap-908676/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/coomer...
        spoopyskelly 6y ago
        Boomers trying to explain 4chan is anything but great journalism.
  - dmd 6y ago
    > I can already see some people thinking "but rolling stone isn't real journalism" Does anyone under 80 think that?
    - walrus01 6y ago
      Probably some of the senators responsible for regulating banks, so yeah.
    - kyleblarson 6y ago
      A few UVA alumni likely think that.

macspoofing 6y ago

You get to see how the sausage is made in a developed country which is, by far, an outlier in its crime-rate. I'm all for increasing police de-escalation training and policing standards in-general, I just don't think it will solve the problems that the protestors want to be solved when the crime rate is as high as it is. Ultimately, the cops are going to get jaded and stressed in ways that cops in other nations would not, and they will always prioritize their life and well-being over that of the perpetrator. I was travelling a few years ago, and hanging out in the hotel bar in Portland, Maine, and I listened in on a heated conversation between some guy and a lady whose husband is a cop. They were discussing police brutality and the protests at the time (Baltimore maybe?), and the lady's point was basically "do whatever you want with regulating police behaviour, but I will take my husband coming home at the end of the night over anything else" It's possible with the falling rates of crime, this may just solve itself (though increasing police training and standards is a good thing regardless).

halostatue 6y ago
The crime rate in America is relatively low according to official data: - https://www.themarshallproject.org/2019/09/30/new-fbi-data-violent-crime-still-falling https://www.themarshallproject.org/2019/09/30/new-fbi-data-v... - https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/10/17/facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/10/17/facts-about... The latter indicates that, depending on which data you use, the violent crime rate dropped 50–75% between 1993 and 2018 (the larger drop is from BJS, which has some methodology for estimating unreported crimes). The property crime rate dropped at 50–70% over the same time period. Various actors in society—police gangs (sorry, “unions”), public prosecutors, for-profit prison operators, and straight up fascists—have been stoking fears of Americans for decades such that there are people who genuinely believe that America (as a whole) has more crime even when the numbers completely put a lie to that. I’m certain that the leaks from this will reinforce what we should already know: America is increasingly a surveillance state of its police against its people, that the police rarely end up doing the jobs that they are nominally hired for (solving crimes), and that there has been an overall reduction in crime but an increase in policing outsized compared to the value police forces provide. Don’t believe the bollocks.