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WH response was that it's a symbol used by antifa. "“The inverted red triangle is a symbol used by Antifa, so it was included in an ad about Antifa. We would n
by giarc 6y ago
WH response was that it's a symbol used by antifa.
"“The inverted red triangle is a symbol used by Antifa, so it was included in an ad about Antifa. We would note that Facebook still has an inverted red triangle emoji in use, which looks exactly the same, so it’s curious that they would target only this ad. The image is also not included in the Anti-Defamation League’s database of symbols of hate. But it is ironic that it took a Trump ad to force the media to implicitly concede that Antifa is a hate group.”
- UncleMeat 6y agoAnd as far as people can tell, that image has never existed on the internet before that tweet. Some antifascists do use symbols. They've never been red triangles.
- colordrops 6y agoThat's not true: https://afanl.wordpress.com/2018/01/30/english-3-2-2018-antifa-conference-amsterdam-program/ https://afanl.wordpress.com/2018/01/30/english-3-2-2018-anti... https://society6.com/product/ancap-flag1525938_wallpaper?sku=s6-9638570p69a216v762 https://society6.com/product/ancap-flag1525938_wallpaper?sku... https://www.cafepress.com/+red_triangle_antifascist_antifascism_antifa_,453598947 https://www.cafepress.com/+red_triangle_antifascist_antifasc... https://www.redbubble.com/i/canvas-print/Antifascist-Red-Triangles-antifa-left-symbol-by-reydefine/43631729.56DNM https://www.redbubble.com/i/canvas-print/Antifascist-Red-Tri... https://www.redbubble.com/i/postcard/Antifa-Triangle-by-Joest24/40441759.V7PMD https://www.redbubble.com/i/postcard/Antifa-Triangle-by-Joes... Mind you, I don't condone Trump using the logo as a mechanism to target a group.
- zucker42 6y agoWorth noting that as far as I can tell, only the first one is from a group calling itself antifascist, and the triangle is a different orientation.
- dfxm12 6y agosociety6, Redbubble & cafepress are not really primary sources of information here (and the "an" in "ancap" is short for anarchist, not antifascist). The other link don't even feature an "upside down triangle" design, and is from Utrecht, which has a red triangle in its own flag. There's not really a connection.
- tomjakubowski 6y agoYes, it is true. I only have the time to refute one of these "examples" but: > https://www.cafepress.com/+red_triangle_antifascist_antifascism_antifa_,453598947 https://www.cafepress.com/+red_triangle_antifascist_antifasc... Nobody actually involved with an Antifa group is selling Antifa-themed cafepress merchandise. The idea is laughable. "MartStore", the vendor in question, sells a variety of politically themed merchandise, including "thin blue line" and "Trump 2020" designs. https://www.cafepress.com/profile/martstore https://www.cafepress.com/profile/martstore
- miniatureape 6y agoThe cafepress link (the only one that really looks like a downward red triangle) is 2 days old. One of the redbubble links is not even indexed yet in my google search and the other is not a red triangle, but a flag in a triangle.
- orwin 6y agoIn western europe, this is a communist symbol more than anything, to make people remember that they were the one resisting and were also dying in concentration camps. Some communists anfa groups are indeed using it, but as a small badge. the first link is referencing this, the second is not triangle but red/black flags, the third one is laughable, don't know about the fourth one and the last one is the anarchist flag.
- ceejayoz 6y agoThis shouldn't be downvoted; this is indeed the campaign's claim. https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1273646748364427264 https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1273646748364427264 It's a bullshit claim, but that's not /u/giarc's fault. https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/1273658985967685633 https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/1273658985967685633
- jeffdavis 6y agoIn your second link it does appear associated with antifa -- or am I missing something?
- ceejayoz 6y agoWhere are you seeing a downwards pointing triangle in that second link's screenshot?
- jeffdavis 6y agoPerhaps I am failing to follow a twitter thread properly, but I saw a downward red triangle with "antifa" written over it. I also saw a similar symbol that looked like an emoji. My question is in earnest to understand the context.
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- Izkata 6y agoIn one of the direct replies: https://mobile.twitter.com/4StarPattonII1/status/1273692116733001731 https://mobile.twitter.com/4StarPattonII1/status/12736921167...
- ceejayoz 6y agoSo, to be clear: You think the White House Googled up "antifa logo" or "antifa image" or "antifa icon" and somehow wound up with an emoji that appears to be in use by a handful of Spanish speaking accounts instead of the antifa flag in widespread international use that comes up as virtually every result? And that the Secretary General of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podemos_(Spanish_political_party) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podemos_(Spanish_political_par..., the second largest party in Spain, is somehow using it to indicate his membership in antifa?
- leephillips 6y agoWhat’s all this about “upside down” and “inverted” triangles? A triangle is a triangle. It doesn’t have a top and a bottom.
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- zeku 6y agowhen they say inverted they mean with the single point at the bottom and the double points on top.
- happytoexplain 6y agoThey are obviously speaking colloquially, not geometrically.
- belltaco 6y agoGoogle image search for triangle and check the most common orientation for a triangle.
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- soneil 6y agoIf you saw a stock quote with a red triangle pointing upwards, would you be confused? The orientation is meaningful.
- dekhn 6y agoThink about what a triangle would do under gravity.
- electricviolet 6y agoFor the record, the WH response is false -- the red triangle is not a symbol used by antifa.
- asabjorn 6y agoThat is incorrect https://www.facebook.com/antifautrecht/ https://www.facebook.com/antifautrecht/
- root_axis 6y agoThis is just a random Facebook page.
- wycy 6y agoFurther, it's just a random FB page with only a couple hundred followers. The actual antifa symbol is completely different.
- mc32 6y agoIt’s also their colors and groups sometimes coöpt imagery of their adversaries, so it’s not unprecedented for a repressed group to take a symbol back for themselves (not saying antifa is repressed, but they act on behalf of other groups).
- mercer 6y agoFascists were not exactly fans of anti-fascists, so while I'd definitely agree that Antifa isn't currently repressed, this has not always been the case.
- anigbrowl 6y agoIt's wrong to generalize from one page linked to a specific city in the Netherlands; during WW2 there was a small concentration camp at Amersfoort, a suburb of Utrecht about 10km from the city center. That likely resonated with contemporary anti-fascists in Utrecht, but the red triangle is absolutely not in general use as an Antifa symbol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amersfoort_concentration_camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amersfoort_concentration_camp
- onei 6y agoI find it hard to believe that an anti-fascist movement would happen to use a symbol used by the most well known fascist movement in living memory. Perhaps this is like the tactics applied by Boris Johnson to distract search results. Now antifa is going to be all over the news for being an alleged terrorist group regardless of its validity.
- barnesto 6y agohave you never seen the Antifa flag and what it's modeled after? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
- guerrilla 6y agoAFA is a specific organization which historically co-opted the original generic anti-fascist movement.
- mercer 6y agoWhile there might be a 'core' AFA organization, the whole point is that they mostly rely on the more generic anti-fascist 'movement' in practice. Even now, I'd say the majority of the 'members' of this movement, as in the people that show up, are all sorts of people, generally left-wing but including what in the US would be called 'liberals'. Most of these are not explicitly members of AFA. So I'd say 'co-opted' sort of doesn't fully cover the situation. But I'd also say you're not entirely wrong either.
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- guerrilla 6y agoNo, there's no "core" or "whole point" about it. This betrays an ignorance as to what actually happened. [1][2]. AFA is a communist (KDP) co-option of a generic anti-fascism. This is basic history at this point, please see the referenced links. AFA co-opting anti-fascisism covers "the situation" (i.e. history) perfectly well, being that that is what happened. [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion [2]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism