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> The media coverage of it is WILD > People on the internet are convinced it's protected by armed guards and people are dying of hunger and instead its...like a

> The media coverage of it is WILD > People on the internet are convinced it's protected by armed guards and people are dying of hunger and instead its...like a music festival campground This seems like propaganda in its own right. With the exception of Fox and Sky, most news coverage I see on YouTube is neutral or positive: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=capitol+hill+autonomous+zone https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=capitol+hill+au... Most mainstream coverage of protests in general seems to be totally biased in favor of the protestors and against the police. The only big channels that show anything going in the other direction are, again, Fox and Sky.

space_fountain 6y ago
It's wild that the first time I saw this on the NYT was an article talking about Trump's tweat about it. I don't quite understand why they didn't think it was newsworthy
- koolba 6y ago
  > I don't quite understand why they didn't think it was newsworthy It's pretty obvious that they do not want to go into detail on anything that would paint the actions of the past two weeks in any negative light. There's no positive way to spin losing control of multiple city blocks, including a police station. Bias does not have to be a slant in an articles content or writing style, though that happens as well, e.g. including phrases like "mostly peaceful protests" in articles describing looting. It can also be as simple as not reporting things you do not want to publicize.
cma 6y ago
Fox is by far the most popular news channel in the US and pretty close to bigger than the rest combined.
- billylo 6y ago
  More details on the numbers. https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-network-viewership-usa/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-networ...
- zeveb 6y ago
  I was all set to post a comment about how I dream of an honestly fair and balanced news channel, unlike Fox, CNN or MSNBC. I was going to post some outrageous headlines from each site right now. Surprisingly, the front page of foxnews.com was pretty sane and sober, remarkably so — and by far better than cnn.com or msnbc.com. I am honestly stunned. I really expected Fox News to be as much of a dumpster fire as CNN or MSNBC. Certainly their video coverage, every time I have walked in front of a TV playing them, has been horrible. And I could swear that maybe six or seven months ago I walked by someone with a browser open to the Fox News site, and it was just execrable. Maybe they are trying to turn over a new leaf? That said, I still dream of truly fair news channel. Not opinion masquerading as news: actual, trying-to-be-objective news.
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    Are we seeing the same front page of foxnews.com? The top story is about the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone, and the biggest text on the page says "Clueless in Seattle".
    - zeveb 6y ago
      No, I do not see that anywhere on the page. I do see '"YOU HAVE HIJACKED THIS" Black community activists clash with Seattle anarchists over BLM message, seized district' and other stuff like 'Washington restaurant apologizes after police officer finds derogatory acronym on receipt' and 'Seattle mayor, police chief deny making call to abandon police precinct.' It's mostly sane news. I wonder if it shows different things to folks without ad blockers, JavaScript blocking &c.? Agreed, though: 'Clueless in Seattle' has no place on a news site.
      - sebular 6y ago
        I took too long writing my other comment, but it's all the more relevant given the fact that you were misled by the very article headline that I chose to single out.
      - endogui 6y ago
- jiscariot 6y ago
  I've heard this explained by a comparison. If you have a block with four burger joints and one taco joint, you'd expect the taco joint to be the most popular. Not saying this is correct, but I thought it was an interesting analogy.
  - preinheimer 6y ago
    So one might expect the taco joint to be the most popular. But explicitly the parent is saying that the taco joint is more popular than all of the burger joints _combined_. Which is not what I would have guessed.
    - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
      If we are talking cable, I believe it. I haven’t had cable for the last couple of decades, I would venture that not many liberals, who tend to be younger, have cable. If you were going to start a cable channel now, who would you pander to: the audience that doesn’t have that much cable (liberals) or the audience that does (conservatives).
      - jiscariot 6y ago
        Median age (2017)[1]: CNN 60 Fox News 65 MSNBC 65 From my peer group (around forty), rather than liberal vs. conservative breakdown, I'd say those who reluctantly subscribe to cable are sports fans. [1]https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/heres-the-median-age-of-the-typical-cable-news-viewer/355379/ https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/heres-the-median-age-of-the-...
        seanmcdirmid 6y ago
        That is only measuring people who still have cable. It doesn’t tell you anything about those that don’t watch cable news at all. All we can tell is that the 60+ group prefers Fox. I did say liberals tend to watch less cable because they tend to be younger, it doesn’t mean that liberals in general have a propensity for cutting the cord.
    - 6y ago
- empath75 6y ago
  Most people don't get their news from cable news. Fox has a near monopoly on conservatives, and even they they capture a relatively small audience. fox's highest rated show is 4.8 million viewers. ABC and NBC each get 10 million viewers for nightly news, cbs gets 6 million viewers. CNN and MSNBC have lower ratings, but there are a alot of mainstream-to-liberal sources of news to choose from. Liberals tend to like John Oliver and the Daily Show over fox news. And the 11 O'clock local news still tends to get a lot of views, I think more than all of those others put together.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
  It's an entertainment channel with two hours of daily news.
- deleted 6y ago
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- pacala 6y ago
  I'm somewhat confused about the TV media landscape, as there are cable news channels, Fox / CNN / MSNBC, but there are also the big 3 networks, ABC / CBS / NBC, which also air news and are also available on cable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cable_news https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cable_news https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Three_television_networks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Three_television_networks

space_fountain 6y ago

It's wild that the first time I saw this on the NYT was an article talking about Trump's tweat about it. I don't quite understand why they didn't think it was newsworthy

koolba 6y ago
> I don't quite understand why they didn't think it was newsworthy It's pretty obvious that they do not want to go into detail on anything that would paint the actions of the past two weeks in any negative light. There's no positive way to spin losing control of multiple city blocks, including a police station. Bias does not have to be a slant in an articles content or writing style, though that happens as well, e.g. including phrases like "mostly peaceful protests" in articles describing looting. It can also be as simple as not reporting things you do not want to publicize.

cma 6y ago

Fox is by far the most popular news channel in the US and pretty close to bigger than the rest combined.

billylo 6y ago
More details on the numbers. https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-network-viewership-usa/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-networ...
zeveb 6y ago
I was all set to post a comment about how I dream of an honestly fair and balanced news channel, unlike Fox, CNN or MSNBC. I was going to post some outrageous headlines from each site right now. Surprisingly, the front page of foxnews.com was pretty sane and sober, remarkably so — and by far better than cnn.com or msnbc.com. I am honestly stunned. I really expected Fox News to be as much of a dumpster fire as CNN or MSNBC. Certainly their video coverage, every time I have walked in front of a TV playing them, has been horrible. And I could swear that maybe six or seven months ago I walked by someone with a browser open to the Fox News site, and it was just execrable. Maybe they are trying to turn over a new leaf? That said, I still dream of truly fair news channel. Not opinion masquerading as news: actual, trying-to-be-objective news.
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  Are we seeing the same front page of foxnews.com? The top story is about the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone, and the biggest text on the page says "Clueless in Seattle".
  - zeveb 6y ago
    No, I do not see that anywhere on the page. I do see '"YOU HAVE HIJACKED THIS" Black community activists clash with Seattle anarchists over BLM message, seized district' and other stuff like 'Washington restaurant apologizes after police officer finds derogatory acronym on receipt' and 'Seattle mayor, police chief deny making call to abandon police precinct.' It's mostly sane news. I wonder if it shows different things to folks without ad blockers, JavaScript blocking &c.? Agreed, though: 'Clueless in Seattle' has no place on a news site.
    - sebular 6y ago
      I took too long writing my other comment, but it's all the more relevant given the fact that you were misled by the very article headline that I chose to single out.
    - endogui 6y ago
jiscariot 6y ago
I've heard this explained by a comparison. If you have a block with four burger joints and one taco joint, you'd expect the taco joint to be the most popular. Not saying this is correct, but I thought it was an interesting analogy.
- preinheimer 6y ago
  So one might expect the taco joint to be the most popular. But explicitly the parent is saying that the taco joint is more popular than all of the burger joints _combined_. Which is not what I would have guessed.
  - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
    If we are talking cable, I believe it. I haven’t had cable for the last couple of decades, I would venture that not many liberals, who tend to be younger, have cable. If you were going to start a cable channel now, who would you pander to: the audience that doesn’t have that much cable (liberals) or the audience that does (conservatives).
    - jiscariot 6y ago
      Median age (2017)[1]: CNN 60 Fox News 65 MSNBC 65 From my peer group (around forty), rather than liberal vs. conservative breakdown, I'd say those who reluctantly subscribe to cable are sports fans. [1]https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/heres-the-median-age-of-the-typical-cable-news-viewer/355379/ https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/heres-the-median-age-of-the-...
      - seanmcdirmid 6y ago
        That is only measuring people who still have cable. It doesn’t tell you anything about those that don’t watch cable news at all. All we can tell is that the 60+ group prefers Fox. I did say liberals tend to watch less cable because they tend to be younger, it doesn’t mean that liberals in general have a propensity for cutting the cord.
  - 6y ago
empath75 6y ago
Most people don't get their news from cable news. Fox has a near monopoly on conservatives, and even they they capture a relatively small audience. fox's highest rated show is 4.8 million viewers. ABC and NBC each get 10 million viewers for nightly news, cbs gets 6 million viewers. CNN and MSNBC have lower ratings, but there are a alot of mainstream-to-liberal sources of news to choose from. Liberals tend to like John Oliver and the Daily Show over fox news. And the 11 O'clock local news still tends to get a lot of views, I think more than all of those others put together.
kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
It's an entertainment channel with two hours of daily news.
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pacala 6y ago
I'm somewhat confused about the TV media landscape, as there are cable news channels, Fox / CNN / MSNBC, but there are also the big 3 networks, ABC / CBS / NBC, which also air news and are also available on cable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cable_news https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cable_news https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Three_television_networks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Three_television_networks