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> The media coverage of it is WILD I live 7 blocks away from "the zone" and can confirm, I have never in my life seen anything alike in this regard. The scale

by pera 6y ago

> The media coverage of it is WILD I live 7 blocks away from "the zone" and can confirm, I have never in my life seen anything alike in this regard. The scale of the misinformation being spread in social networks and news media reached a level I couldn't believe possible before. Seriously, it's beyond absurd. If anyone is interested, I have been taking some pictures of the ongoing protests (including a few of the zone): https://www.flickr.com/photos/peramides https://www.flickr.com/photos/peramides

klyrs 6y ago
Were you around for Occupy, can you compare?
- ragona 6y ago
  Very similar.
- pera 6y ago
  Unfortunately not here in Seattle.
- deleted 6y ago
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chrisweekly 6y ago
got a URL that doesn't require an account?
- xwowsersx 6y ago
  this url (maybe they updated it) does not require an account
  - chrisweekly 6y ago
    You're right. What actually happened is it opened in the Flickr iOS app, to which I hadn't logged in. (Poor UX, giving new visitors a much better experience than logged-out users w the mobile app installed.)
- pera 6y ago
  Nop sorry, but I'm surprised that Flickr asks you for one! I wonder if it's some sort of geographical restriction.
  - chrisweekly 6y ago
    What actually happened is it opened in the Flickr iOS app, to which I hadn't logged in. (Poor UX, giving new visitors a much better experience than logged-out users w the mobile app installed.)
MR4D 6y ago
It looks....empty. Thanks for taking these - looks nothing like the media portrays it. BTW - love the church picture (I think it’s the one in Spain?)
- pera 6y ago
  Thanks! I'm not sure which one you are referring to (maybe Sagrada Familia?) but yeah, they are all in Catalonia :)
  - twic 6y ago
    I saw the archway and thought it looked very similar to Seville cathedral! But the tower is nothing like Seville, it's much more modern.
  - MR4D 6y ago
    Sagrada. Very cool church. Must have been fun to photograph.
gabesk 6y ago
I'm also about that far away and walked through there last night. It felt more like a summer street fair festival. I also took a few pictures. https://photos.app.goo.gl/UN8RpwWS5TYAY5Nn7 https://photos.app.goo.gl/UN8RpwWS5TYAY5Nn7
- thu2111 6y ago
  But then there's also this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQyClgU4AEJnWf?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQyClgU4AEJnWf?format=jpg&name=... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQyCmMUEAEn_1o?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQyCmMUEAEn_1o?format=jpg&name=... I've not before seen a summer street festival where armed militias wearing bulletproof vests patrol the streets.
  - jasonvorhe 6y ago
    How many summer festivals have you been to where to people in charge are at risk of being attacked by armed white supremacists?
    - thu2111 6y ago
      Putting aside the question of who is going to attack these people, that's my point. It's not a summer festival.
    - deleted 6y ago
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  - latencyloser 6y ago
    That's just a plate carrier, with no plates in it. It won't stop a bullet, definitely not a rifle round. Maybe he has some soft armor jammed in there but doubtful based on the rest of his "I bought this from the local gunstore 3 days ago setup."
    - dmoy 6y ago
      You cannot buy a semiautomatic rifle in 3 days in WA. There is a minimum 10 day waiting period. You could buy the pieces and build it yourself, but you'd need some tooling.
look_lookatme 6y ago
Do you have any critical things to say about the zone?
drevil-v2 6y ago
Seattle police chief said on TV [1] that "Rapes, robberies and all sorts of violent acts have been occurring in the area and we're not able to get to [them]." Doesn’t sound very utopian [1] https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1271291958296604675?s=21 https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1271291958296604675?s=2...
- pjc50 6y ago
  She said that, but is it actually true? Besides, one of the long list of complaints is that police are often useless or worse at dealing with rapes; Minneapolis PD had a massive backlog of untested rape kits. (edit: correctly gendered the police chief, hadn't bothered looking at the tweet)
  - dgellow 6y ago
    > He said that I'm quite sure she's a woman.
  - mcv 6y ago
    Yeah, rape is a particularly lousy excuse considering the poor record many police departments have in addressing rape cases.
  - cwkoss 6y ago
    In the past week SPD has lied about: - "Incendiary devices" being thrown at officers: it was a candle - as can be seen by the sticker visible in SPD's own tweets - Businesses being 'extorted': appears SPD leadership got a false report of this from a local alt-right personality and spread it in their press briefing. - People checking IDs for entry: streamers have been trying to find anyone on the ground who can substantiate this claim and have been unable to. A small handful of people have been kicked out by being swarmed by a crowd and told to leave (and some more colorful language) without violence. These few instances have all either been counter-protestors or people trying to be senselessly destructive, as far as I've seen. I'm skeptical of these most recent claims
    - HeroOfAges 6y ago
NikkiA 6y ago
The scale of misinformation reminds me a lot of the media coverage of the pre-tanks weeks of the tiannamon square protests, and that scares me.

by pera 6y ago

klyrs 6y ago

Were you around for Occupy, can you compare?

ragona 6y ago
Very similar.
pera 6y ago
Unfortunately not here in Seattle.
deleted 6y ago
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chrisweekly 6y ago

got a URL that doesn't require an account?

xwowsersx 6y ago
this url (maybe they updated it) does not require an account
- chrisweekly 6y ago
  You're right. What actually happened is it opened in the Flickr iOS app, to which I hadn't logged in. (Poor UX, giving new visitors a much better experience than logged-out users w the mobile app installed.)
pera 6y ago
Nop sorry, but I'm surprised that Flickr asks you for one! I wonder if it's some sort of geographical restriction.
- chrisweekly 6y ago
  What actually happened is it opened in the Flickr iOS app, to which I hadn't logged in. (Poor UX, giving new visitors a much better experience than logged-out users w the mobile app installed.)

MR4D 6y ago

It looks....empty. Thanks for taking these - looks nothing like the media portrays it. BTW - love the church picture (I think it’s the one in Spain?)

pera 6y ago
Thanks! I'm not sure which one you are referring to (maybe Sagrada Familia?) but yeah, they are all in Catalonia :)
- twic 6y ago
  I saw the archway and thought it looked very similar to Seville cathedral! But the tower is nothing like Seville, it's much more modern.
- MR4D 6y ago
  Sagrada. Very cool church. Must have been fun to photograph.

gabesk 6y ago

I'm also about that far away and walked through there last night. It felt more like a summer street fair festival. I also took a few pictures. https://photos.app.goo.gl/UN8RpwWS5TYAY5Nn7 https://photos.app.goo.gl/UN8RpwWS5TYAY5Nn7

thu2111 6y ago
But then there's also this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQyClgU4AEJnWf?format=jpg&name=medium https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQyClgU4AEJnWf?format=jpg&name=... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQyCmMUEAEn_1o?format=jpg&name=900x900 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaQyCmMUEAEn_1o?format=jpg&name=... I've not before seen a summer street festival where armed militias wearing bulletproof vests patrol the streets.
- jasonvorhe 6y ago
  How many summer festivals have you been to where to people in charge are at risk of being attacked by armed white supremacists?
  - thu2111 6y ago
    Putting aside the question of who is going to attack these people, that's my point. It's not a summer festival.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
- latencyloser 6y ago
  That's just a plate carrier, with no plates in it. It won't stop a bullet, definitely not a rifle round. Maybe he has some soft armor jammed in there but doubtful based on the rest of his "I bought this from the local gunstore 3 days ago setup."
  - dmoy 6y ago
    You cannot buy a semiautomatic rifle in 3 days in WA. There is a minimum 10 day waiting period. You could buy the pieces and build it yourself, but you'd need some tooling.

look_lookatme 6y ago

Do you have any critical things to say about the zone?

drevil-v2 6y ago

Seattle police chief said on TV [1] that "Rapes, robberies and all sorts of violent acts have been occurring in the area and we're not able to get to [them]." Doesn’t sound very utopian [1] https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1271291958296604675?s=21 https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1271291958296604675?s=2...

pjc50 6y ago
She said that, but is it actually true? Besides, one of the long list of complaints is that police are often useless or worse at dealing with rapes; Minneapolis PD had a massive backlog of untested rape kits. (edit: correctly gendered the police chief, hadn't bothered looking at the tweet)
- dgellow 6y ago
  > He said that I'm quite sure she's a woman.
- mcv 6y ago
  Yeah, rape is a particularly lousy excuse considering the poor record many police departments have in addressing rape cases.
- cwkoss 6y ago
  In the past week SPD has lied about: - "Incendiary devices" being thrown at officers: it was a candle - as can be seen by the sticker visible in SPD's own tweets - Businesses being 'extorted': appears SPD leadership got a false report of this from a local alt-right personality and spread it in their press briefing. - People checking IDs for entry: streamers have been trying to find anyone on the ground who can substantiate this claim and have been unable to. A small handful of people have been kicked out by being swarmed by a crowd and told to leave (and some more colorful language) without violence. These few instances have all either been counter-protestors or people trying to be senselessly destructive, as far as I've seen. I'm skeptical of these most recent claims
  - HeroOfAges 6y ago

NikkiA 6y ago

The scale of misinformation reminds me a lot of the media coverage of the pre-tanks weeks of the tiannamon square protests, and that scares me.