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> It's user hostile enough to have telemetry and ads in the OS in the first place. I may be alone, but I think those two things are very different classes of

> It's user hostile enough to have telemetry and ads in the OS in the first place. I may be alone, but I think those two things are very different classes of feature, and am very relaxed about the former as an opt out.

lozenge 6y ago
You can't opt out of telemetry in Windows. Everything on the list here is collected: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/privacy/required-windows-diagnostic-data-events-and-fields-2004 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/privacy/required-wi...
Xelbair 6y ago
There is no opt-out of telemetry in win10. You can only set it to basic.
- gruez 6y ago
  You can set it to one level lower ("security") on enterprise and education editions. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/configure-windows-diagnostic-data-in-your-organization#diagnostic-data-levels https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/configure-w...
  - Xelbair 6y ago
    It still isn't opt-out. And you still have no exact idea what is and isn't sent - only their promises. Personally i use ancient trick that block telemetry on metered connection, and you can set LAN to be metered too via registry key. No idea if it still works to be honest.
jeroenhd 6y ago
The opt-out does not exist for Home and Pro users. Only Windows 10 Enterprise can completely disable the telemetry engine. Unless you take extra steps (firewall rules, network-level blocking, etc.) Microsoft will get a ping every time a new device is plugged in and there's no way to disable that for the common user. I used to accept most telemetry popups from Microsoft before they became opt-out, but in the scheme MS has currently set up, I don't think MS let their customers make an informed choice about their data collection. For that reason, I oppose it as much as I can.
- SkyBelow 6y ago
  > I don't think MS let their customers make an informed choice about their data collection. I think this is part of a larger problem where no single individual can given informed consent to any corporate contract because one involves a team of lawyers and the other involves an average person. Even if the single individual was a lawyer it would be questionable, but for the average person who has a limited college education and no special legal education at all, there is far too great a power difference for informed consent to be given.
iso1631 6y ago
I'm happy about the former as an opt in, and where I can target which server I want the data to go. Could be quite handy actually.
pbhjpbhj 6y ago
I don't know, but I assume the telemetry is used for marketing by Microsoft at least and probably by their partners (ie people who financially benefit Microsoft partially in return for access to "telemetry").

lozenge 6y ago

You can't opt out of telemetry in Windows. Everything on the list here is collected: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/privacy/required-windows-diagnostic-data-events-and-fields-2004 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/privacy/required-wi...

Xelbair 6y ago

There is no opt-out of telemetry in win10. You can only set it to basic.

gruez 6y ago
You can set it to one level lower ("security") on enterprise and education editions. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/configure-windows-diagnostic-data-in-your-organization#diagnostic-data-levels https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/configure-w...
- Xelbair 6y ago
  It still isn't opt-out. And you still have no exact idea what is and isn't sent - only their promises. Personally i use ancient trick that block telemetry on metered connection, and you can set LAN to be metered too via registry key. No idea if it still works to be honest.

jeroenhd 6y ago

The opt-out does not exist for Home and Pro users. Only Windows 10 Enterprise can completely disable the telemetry engine. Unless you take extra steps (firewall rules, network-level blocking, etc.) Microsoft will get a ping every time a new device is plugged in and there's no way to disable that for the common user. I used to accept most telemetry popups from Microsoft before they became opt-out, but in the scheme MS has currently set up, I don't think MS let their customers make an informed choice about their data collection. For that reason, I oppose it as much as I can.

SkyBelow 6y ago
> I don't think MS let their customers make an informed choice about their data collection. I think this is part of a larger problem where no single individual can given informed consent to any corporate contract because one involves a team of lawyers and the other involves an average person. Even if the single individual was a lawyer it would be questionable, but for the average person who has a limited college education and no special legal education at all, there is far too great a power difference for informed consent to be given.

iso1631 6y ago

I'm happy about the former as an opt in, and where I can target which server I want the data to go. Could be quite handy actually.

pbhjpbhj 6y ago

I don't know, but I assume the telemetry is used for marketing by Microsoft at least and probably by their partners (ie people who financially benefit Microsoft partially in return for access to "telemetry").