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Their statements make sense if you realize that public health experts have not been speaking to the American people the way scientists would speak to an informe

Their statements make sense if you realize that public health experts have not been speaking to the American people the way scientists would speak to an informed audience. They were being political because they didn't think the people could handle nuance. They oversimplified the explanation of the science and pushed for lockdowns at all costs with no exceptions. Now, by admitting there are exceptions, they reveal that they were not being straight with us all along.

throwmehaweh 6y ago
It’s the epitome of hypocrisy. How could anyone take them seriously now that they’ve shown to be complete frauds? Is it any wonder that half the country doesn’t trust the government lockdowns? “Stay inside”, “don’t gather in groups”, “cancel your wedding”, “wear a mask during sex”, but oh hey, it’s OK to go downtown and riot, burn down buildings, and throw bricks at the police.
- gruez 6y ago
  >but oh hey, it’s OK to go downtown and riot, burn down buildings, and throw bricks at the police. This is not a good faith depiction of what the protesters are doing.
  - shibeouya 6y ago
    It absolutely is. There are hundreds of videos of it, don't ignore them because they don't fit your little narrative.
- turndown 6y ago
  No one will take you seriously as a new user with the name "throwmehaweh". If you actually believe the things in your post, I recommend you use your actual account to state your beliefs. Your description of the protests as going downtown to riot is the type of misrepresentation we expect from children, not adults.
  - chipperyman573 6y ago
    The account someone posts something from has nothing to do with the validity of their argument.
    - turndown 6y ago
      Sure, I don't disagree with that, but when the name is a "throwaway", it is a new account, and its only posts are half explanations of simplifications or just outright lies on highly divisive topics, I have no issue connecting the dots.
      - thu2111 6y ago
        Which parts are outright lies? The now flagged and dead post said this: “Stay inside”, “don’t gather in groups”, “cancel your wedding”, “wear a mask during sex”, but oh hey, it’s OK to go downtown and riot, burn down buildings, and throw bricks at the police. These things are all true of the UK. As someone with a family member in the UK I can assure you they had to cancel their wedding, they were limited to an hour of outside time per day, they were told not to gather in groups and notoriously the government just told people if they live apart - even if they're in a relationship - they're not merely required to wear masks but cannot meet at all. As for the riots: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/police-chief-fights-back-tears-explaining-how-rioters-blocked-firefighters-from-burning-home-with-child-inside https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/police-chief-fights-... "A Virginia police chief fought back tears during a press conference as he described how rioters set fire to a home with a child inside and then prevented firefighters from responding as quickly as they could have" It's a pathetic show from the HN userbase that the post is flagged and dead. Do the people here have any idea how many hundreds of millions of people are thinking exactly the same thing right now? The public health community's credibility is now zero or lower. Only the most naive in society will ever believe them again. Every time we think they can't fail worse, they do. Their models are always wrong and the most influential was filled with basic C programming errors. They can't decide if masks work. They lauded China at the same time as complaining internally they weren't being given any data. They demanded a massive programme of ventilator production and then none were needed. They demanded censorship of "misinformation" even when that misinformation came from Nobel Prize winners and turned out to be correct. They've published an openly fraudulent paper on a possible treatment championed by Trump that led to trials being suspended, whilst simultaneously tweeting about how much they hate Trump. They demanded the economy be destroyed and the world placed under a totalitarian police state. Virtually all of them protect each other and refuse to criticise each other's work even when it's clearly wrong, and now the final salt in the wound: they decide that protesting against racism is healthy, but protesting against their decisions is not. Never again.
_red 6y ago
There something more going on. In the past 3 months the following narratives have been pushed by the MSM: 1 - Trump is a racist for suggesting that borders should exist 2 - Trump is liable all covid deaths for not closing the borders fast enough 3 - The state/police are great for enforcing stay-at-home orders and social distancing 4 - We need thousands or millions to assemble in the streets to fight police This is the type of schizophrenic messaging that happens during societal collapse.
- gruez 6y ago
  Can I see sources for the four claims? I'm not sure what your idea of MSM is (some use it as an alias for "media that I don't agree with"), but for point #2 there's an article for vox that seems to contradict your claim. https://www.vox.com/2020/1/23/21078325/wuhan-china-coronavirus-travel-ban https://www.vox.com/2020/1/23/21078325/wuhan-china-coronavir...
- Supermancho 6y ago
  > This is the type of schizophrenic messaging that happens during societal collapse. Maybe it happens as a matter of social change or economic stress? What evidence is there that "societal collapse" (or what that even means?) has anything to do with these headlines?
robbrown451 6y ago
"pushed for lockdowns at all costs with no exceptions." I have never seen anyone say there should be no exceptions. They have always said essential things must continue. (although with different ideas of "essential")

throwmehaweh 6y ago

It’s the epitome of hypocrisy. How could anyone take them seriously now that they’ve shown to be complete frauds? Is it any wonder that half the country doesn’t trust the government lockdowns? “Stay inside”, “don’t gather in groups”, “cancel your wedding”, “wear a mask during sex”, but oh hey, it’s OK to go downtown and riot, burn down buildings, and throw bricks at the police.

gruez 6y ago
>but oh hey, it’s OK to go downtown and riot, burn down buildings, and throw bricks at the police. This is not a good faith depiction of what the protesters are doing.
- shibeouya 6y ago
  It absolutely is. There are hundreds of videos of it, don't ignore them because they don't fit your little narrative.
turndown 6y ago
No one will take you seriously as a new user with the name "throwmehaweh". If you actually believe the things in your post, I recommend you use your actual account to state your beliefs. Your description of the protests as going downtown to riot is the type of misrepresentation we expect from children, not adults.
- chipperyman573 6y ago
  The account someone posts something from has nothing to do with the validity of their argument.
  - turndown 6y ago
    Sure, I don't disagree with that, but when the name is a "throwaway", it is a new account, and its only posts are half explanations of simplifications or just outright lies on highly divisive topics, I have no issue connecting the dots.
    - thu2111 6y ago
      Which parts are outright lies? The now flagged and dead post said this: “Stay inside”, “don’t gather in groups”, “cancel your wedding”, “wear a mask during sex”, but oh hey, it’s OK to go downtown and riot, burn down buildings, and throw bricks at the police. These things are all true of the UK. As someone with a family member in the UK I can assure you they had to cancel their wedding, they were limited to an hour of outside time per day, they were told not to gather in groups and notoriously the government just told people if they live apart - even if they're in a relationship - they're not merely required to wear masks but cannot meet at all. As for the riots: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/police-chief-fights-back-tears-explaining-how-rioters-blocked-firefighters-from-burning-home-with-child-inside https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/police-chief-fights-... "A Virginia police chief fought back tears during a press conference as he described how rioters set fire to a home with a child inside and then prevented firefighters from responding as quickly as they could have" It's a pathetic show from the HN userbase that the post is flagged and dead. Do the people here have any idea how many hundreds of millions of people are thinking exactly the same thing right now? The public health community's credibility is now zero or lower. Only the most naive in society will ever believe them again. Every time we think they can't fail worse, they do. Their models are always wrong and the most influential was filled with basic C programming errors. They can't decide if masks work. They lauded China at the same time as complaining internally they weren't being given any data. They demanded a massive programme of ventilator production and then none were needed. They demanded censorship of "misinformation" even when that misinformation came from Nobel Prize winners and turned out to be correct. They've published an openly fraudulent paper on a possible treatment championed by Trump that led to trials being suspended, whilst simultaneously tweeting about how much they hate Trump. They demanded the economy be destroyed and the world placed under a totalitarian police state. Virtually all of them protect each other and refuse to criticise each other's work even when it's clearly wrong, and now the final salt in the wound: they decide that protesting against racism is healthy, but protesting against their decisions is not. Never again.

_red 6y ago

There something more going on. In the past 3 months the following narratives have been pushed by the MSM: 1 - Trump is a racist for suggesting that borders should exist 2 - Trump is liable all covid deaths for not closing the borders fast enough 3 - The state/police are great for enforcing stay-at-home orders and social distancing 4 - We need thousands or millions to assemble in the streets to fight police This is the type of schizophrenic messaging that happens during societal collapse.

gruez 6y ago
Can I see sources for the four claims? I'm not sure what your idea of MSM is (some use it as an alias for "media that I don't agree with"), but for point #2 there's an article for vox that seems to contradict your claim. https://www.vox.com/2020/1/23/21078325/wuhan-china-coronavirus-travel-ban https://www.vox.com/2020/1/23/21078325/wuhan-china-coronavir...
Supermancho 6y ago
> This is the type of schizophrenic messaging that happens during societal collapse. Maybe it happens as a matter of social change or economic stress? What evidence is there that "societal collapse" (or what that even means?) has anything to do with these headlines?

robbrown451 6y ago

"pushed for lockdowns at all costs with no exceptions." I have never seen anyone say there should be no exceptions. They have always said essential things must continue. (although with different ideas of "essential")