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Could we please stop calling “protesters” all the people looting jewelry stores, Target, Nike, etc? These are not protesters, these are looters. Police should u
by lsh123 6y ago
Could we please stop calling “protesters” all the people looting jewelry stores, Target, Nike, etc? These are not protesters, these are looters. Police should use any means at their disposal to protect lives and property from looters and rioters.
- parhamn 6y agoThere are a ton of heavy, non-looting protests going on as well.
- lsh123 6y agoAbsolutely and I don’t think that any reasonable person will have any problem with those. I can’t speak for all the places in US but my observations in San Jose (both personal and through FB/media) is that police was cool with peaceful protests. I saw a few times police and protesters hugging each other, doing fist bumps, etc.
- runarberg 6y agoFrom my experience a protest usually becomes exactly as violent as the police initiates. In every protest I’ve attended the police is always the most violent actor.
- komali2 6y agoThis is my experience as well, and that also is the conclusion drawn from this article we're all commenting on as well lol.
- empath75 6y agoDid you just start paying attention? People complain about any protest no matter how anodyne. Meanwhile people keep dying.
- komali2 6y agoCould we please not waste a second of thought on the relatively minor issue of broken store windows until we sort the issue of cops indiscriminately killing black people? If you care so much, how about petition your local police force to dump their tear gas at the range and stop firing on peaceful protesters, turning a lot of sitting people into a riot.
- lsh123 6y agohttps://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de...
- dwaltrip 6y agoWhy are you linking non-normalized statistics? It is such a basic error to not adjust per-capita that part of me doubts how much you care about the truth.
- runarberg 6y agoIt is because they are lying. They are trying to obfuscate the truth to hide a racist agenda.
- komali2 6y agoHahahaha I gotta say I wasn't expecting a gamer statistic poster on HN. At a minimum I'd expect everyone here to understand the difference between "volume" and "per capita."
- calvinmorrison 6y agoThat stat becomes more useful when you take into account black Americans are roughly 15% of the population.
- lsh123 6y agoI am not sure that per-capita is the right metric. I would prefer to look at it by police encounter or by crime or something like that. This is slightly old but has some interesting data on killings by race: https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-homicide-in-america-by-the-numbers https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-29/race-and-hom... In these graphs you can see that total number of killings for white on white or black on black is roughly the same despite the 15% number you quoted. Edit: fix autocorrect typo
- scarmig 6y agoBy the same token, can we please stop calling "police" all the people bashing in heads, punching journalists, planting evidence, instigating violence? They are not police, they are violent thugs. Protesters should use any means at their disposal to protect their own lives from violent thugs.
- nights192 6y agoBut they literally are police--that's the difference between these two arguments. Police can be held to account through voting and policy shifts, individuals cannot without community enforcement.
- scarmig 6y agoMurdering people in cold blood is part of policing? Here's the part you're missing: the protests are holding the police to account, and they're the only way available for the community to enforce basic rule of law on the police. If not for the protests, the officer(s) in question would be getting some paid time off to fund a vacation to the beach. Literally. And that's despite the community already having voted for stricter regulations by clear majorities and not getting them because white votes are counted more in our political system than black ones, and that's despite voter suppression disproportionately restricting black voters' access to the polls.
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- smileysteve 6y agoThis The police have taken an oath, have systemic training, and are funded and protected. They should be held to, at minimum, their systemic failures, but probably their oaths and training (which includes constitutional law and appropriate force) On the other hand, the only thing that protestors have guaranteed to be in common is that they've shown up in a place.
- lsh123 6y agoAbsolutely, that’s exactly why 2nd amendment is important.
- csommers 6y agoShooting people over Chinese made Gucci shoes is idiotic. Grow a spine.
- ashtonkem 6y agoNot “any” means.
- lsh123 6y agoPlease watch this and imagine that this was your mom: https://www.facebook.com/501974795/posts/10159362491674796/ https://www.facebook.com/501974795/posts/10159362491674796/
- ashtonkem 6y agoWhen physical safety is threatened, more force is justified. But advocating for stopping property crime with “any means necessary” is beyond the pale.
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