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Rustlang: “This account will pause tweeting until further notice”
- noxer 6y agoStupid, whoever controls that account, please hand it over to someone else and use your personal account to post nothing.
- qbaqbaqba 6y agoAmericentrism.
- Shorel 6y ago>Rust believes that tech is and always will be political As long as it is about American politics. Shame.
- whymauri 6y agoI like this a lot. Even the passive acknowledgment that technology and engineering do not exist in a bubble exclusive from the real world is meaningful. I do think the call to action to invest in our communities matters. I know I'm N=1, but I have increased respect for the Rust organization.
- aaron695 6y agoTop tweet reply Twitter fed me was on point - Replying to @rustlang "The world is bigger than just the USA." There are a lot of problems in the world, Syria pops into mind or a billion people who can't fully feed their kids. But they are not a viral Twitter sensation. Gotta be 'cool'
- deepstar 6y agoYou should try not to be easily swayed by whataboutism.
- doomrobo 6y agoIf you apply this criterion consistently, nobody would be allowed to protest anything
- searchableguy 6y agoI interpreted OP in the following way - US influence on tech shoehorn their politics in every other place. If something happens in Syria or other third world countries, it won't get recognition or will inconvenience people outside of their countries. So I am guessing OP is upset about that. I do think US influence on tech to this degree is bad given the recent years and political environment. Most of the web is controlled by US companies and affects people living in other countries. I have seen a few mobs attacking people from other countries because they couldn't get the current political environment in US. And why would they? They don't live in the US and thus don't get everything happening in US.
- afiori 6y agoIf I may this does not apply here. The tweet was formulated as "Since issue X is more important than our tweets etc." so the criticism of "Also issue Y was more important" is not baseless. This would not apply if they just supported the cause, or even decided to join the protest. For how international it can be the rust organization is intrinsically based in the US so it is understandable why they might want to make a statement about the current events. Nevertheless the criticism has a basis in how the tweet was formulated, as the way it was written transforms a perfectly reasonable position of "we cannot and shouldn't fight every battle" into "that other issue was less important". I would say this was a case where a bad argument was worse than no argument. Just to repeat myself one more time if the tweet was only "In support of current protests we chose to stop tweeting until further notice" then your comment would be completely right.
- kgin 6y agoI'm not sure what the problem is. No one can be can make a statement about any bad thing unless they make statements about about all bad things equally?
- aaron695 6y agoHow about as part of the tech world you are part of the global community. If you think "taking a stand against X is more important than sharing tech knowledge" then it needs be well thought out before you shut down your global "sharing tech knowledge" over that issue. Or people like me think you are just part of the vileness the makes Twitter work where everyone is just part of the lynch mob, without thought jumping on, looking for outrage, and a reason to hurt people rather than help people.
- ThrowawayBandit 6y agoAbsolutely, and this occurs all the time. Something happens in the US especially, but perhaps also Western Europe and it is spun into a huge issue. Something worse happens somewhere and it is barely reported, if at all. This is the sad irony of making a huge fuss of "black lives matters" when really they (or non-Armerican/non-Western) don't. What matters is the American village. This is virtue-signalling and will actually anger, as it always does, many who are not part of the worthy few.
- hootbootscoot 6y agoSo, if YOUR family members were being hunted and murdered by a gang of thugs who operate with impunity, you would be wrong to be angry and fed up, as the 10th cousin of yours gets shot by this gang? Why would this be about "being cool" and not the rage of being constantly targeted and NO systemic change since the Jim Crow law era? It's been the same since Emmett Till, and frankly, your reaction is a bit hard to believe. Can a human truly be ignorant of the facts on the ground in the USA of being black or white and the differing treatment you get? I'll wager that you don't watch CNN, as you smell a little Foxy, but they had 2 reporter crews on the ground 1 block apart in Minneapolis, and the black anchor and his crew got arrested ON-AIR, and the white guys crew got politely asked to move after their credentials were checked.
- RichardHeart 6y agoProgress need not be stopped or crippled because something sucks somewhere. In fact, progress should be focused on, in spite of the suck.
- saaaaaam 6y agoNot related to the topic but seeing this posted under my username this caused me a LOT of confusion until I counted the number of times the letter “A” occurred.
- lake99 6y agoNon-violent protesters were getting killed by Hong Kong's police in broad daylight for the last few months. Were the Rust people not aware of them?
- protomyth 6y agoApparently, whoever is running that account wants to be part of the current thing and making an enemy of China might not be good for Rust's development. I'm a bit bitter because they haven't given a fig about the minority most likely to be killed by law enforcement than any other racial or ethnic group and even use a license from an organization that domain squats on the very same minority. [edit: yep same as it ever was]
- gruez 6y agoSame reason why sectarian violence in the west garners more sympathy than similar amounts of sectarian violence in africa, the middle east, or asia.
- Udik 6y agoThere are no reports of people killed by the police in the HK protests. Source: U.S. Department of State https://www.state.gov/reports/2019-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/china/hong-kong/ https://www.state.gov/reports/2019-country-reports-on-human-... "There were no credible reports that the government or its agents committed arbitrary or unlawful killings." Edit: hate to say that, but why instead of clicking the damn downvote button don't you go and actually check if there are recorded deaths?
- lake99 6y agoYou're using an outdated document as your source. I will not post direct links. Instead, I invite you to browse tags like #HongKongPoliceTerrorism, #HongKongPoliceBrutality, #HKpolice, etc. on Twitter. We all know not to trust COVID death counts from China. HK police brutality is something like that. We have video evidence of a few murders. As for the actual count, no one knows.
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- frosted-flakes 6y ago> In acknowledgement that taking a stand against police brutality is more important than sharing tech knowledge, this account will pause tweeting until further notice. Feel free to email the core team at: core@rust-lang.org. -- @rustlang
- SV_BubbleTime 6y agoSo they've stopped using twitter for a week or two, but are still running an email list. That's nice to signal they're in solidarity I guess? I mean, what is the downside for them here? A for short time some casual Rust enthusiasts won't see news?
- jodrellblank 6y agoOn what platform will the further notice be given?
- kgin 6y agoAssuming you're still looking at Twitter for reasons other than @rustlang, the notice will be on Twitter when the tweets start again.
- jodrellblank 6y agoThis is a "who shaved the barber?" puzzle; that situation should be forbidden by the content of the tweet - they're not allowed to tweet again until after they've given notice.
- kgin 6y agoI guess they could have said "This account will pause tweeting until we start tweeting again" but that's a funny turn of phrase.
- afiori 6y agoyour noticing the notice and them resuming tweets are asynchronous. If we want to bring some logic inferences the only thing we can say is that their next tweet must say something about restarting to tweet. Actually no, the only thing we could hold them up to is that before any tweet on the usual topics there should be a notice that normal tweets have begun again. It would be perfectly reasonable to now defend their position without a prior notice that they are going to also defend their position.
- jodrellblank 6y agoI’m assuming the notice exists independently of whether I see it or not. If the notice is a tweet then submitting the tweet happens before anyone could read it and the account has resumed tweeting before giving notice. If the position is “we won’t tweet again until we do” then this is a meaningless announcement because that’s the default position of every twitter account.
- dx87 6y agoNot seeing anything similar on /r/rust, or the official forum. This twitter account barely tweets at all, it's like they want to send a message, but don't want to actually inconvenience anybody.
- abstractbeliefs 6y agoI agree - it's the definition of pandering: it serves no higher purpose than to gratify some group of people, without serving any deeper meaning. I would like to know in what way this will actually influence change. Don't get me wrong, sincere displays of solidarity matter, but this isn't one. It's an effortless token gesture.
- phone8675309 6y agoVirtual signalling is the highest form of pandering.
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- untog 6y agoThe negative use of the term "virtue signalling" honestly baffles me. Why on earth is publicly stating your beliefs is a bad thing? Communication is how ideas spread.
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- afiori 6y agoA judgement-free aside: The information age intrinsically makes it harder for this kind of statements. On almost all topics we are bounded to be ignorant of some important facets, and the sheer size of the internet means that many other will be ignorant/knowledgeable on different facet of any topic. In a sense this means that most endorsements of public topics by an organization/individual will incur in a certain level of "what about these negative sides of that thing"; this happens especially if there was not a previous synchronizing pressure for that topic. Once upon a time it was a lot easier for social clusters to be similarly ignorant/knowledgeable on any given topic. As often happens with progress we lose something and we gain something.
- downerending 6y agoI'm not even following the rationale. They're angry at Twitter? For what, exactly?
- throwawayshit0 6y agodon't. It's pure virtue signaling to the extreme. If you need more example, look into js community. They are following a trend.
- afiori 6y agoI would assume that it is in the same rationale as "taking a minute of silence". It is a statement and a public ritual to both express and show seriousness of an event. Obviously they are not the same thing, but it is not trivial to find a precise rationale under things that have no need to be 100% rational, such as showing public support.
- RustDev 6y agoA tweet is cheap. I will move to Golang for a week.
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- DC-3 6y agoI know this will get accused of being whataboutism, but isn't it a bizarre sort of leftist chauvinism to make gestures like this about issues in ones own country in spite of similar things happening across the world on a weekly basis - especially for a project that touts itself as very international in scope?
- pnako 6y agohttps://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/6/1/21275944/chicago-weekend-shootings-most-violent-weekend-2020-may-29-june-1 https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/6/1/21275944/chicago-weeke... 20 dead people in a week-end. Apparently, Blacks lives don't matter that much in Chicago. I guess it's only in the particular case that a white cop brutalizes a black suspect, in America, that the entire fucking world, from Germany to Tokyo, needs to be indignant, for some reason. It's totally organic and not a political manipulation at all /s
- hootbootscoot 6y agoPolitically manipulated like astroturf suburban gun nuts showing up armed and demanding an end to public health measures who were being actively orchestrated by Hair Twitler's thumbs? Regarding your statement: No. the scope and genuine rage of it is indicative of just how NOT organized it is. You wouldn't understand that, however, if your knee-jerk reaction is minimize racist American policing practices. (which aren't suprising, given the origins of SOME American police forces in militias hunting runaway slaves, and others origins in working security for the great industrial "robber barons", betcha didn't know that.) Your dismissal of global visceral POINTED anger over police violence-with-impunity ignores 1) the scores of extremely well known black victims of police aggression that didn't result in any change. Philando Castile comes to mind, Freddy Gray, Eric Garner, Michael Brown. People are FED UP, and the issue isn't a light one like "i want a haircut" but rather, "I want not to be murdered by cops by the simple virtue of my skin color" Make sense?
- pnako 6y agoNo, it makes absolutely no fucking sense. I can guarantee you that the people in New Zealand are not fed up about whatever the hell happens in the bloody MINNEAPOLIS police department. Your entire narrative makes no sense and it's just a well-organized, global form of race baiting that is going to end up doing the exact opposite of what you claim to support. It's going to further divide communities along racial lines until eventual separation. It makes sense if you claim to follow the ideas of Malcolm X, but not if you think what you are doing is in the spirit of Martin Luther King.
- thrownaway954 6y agothis make absolutely no sense. as one reply pointed out, are they going to shutdown their feed every time something happens? maybe i'm just too involved in AA, so i like the whole concept of "we have no opinions on outside issues". rust is doing the opposite of this. to me, if the individual core team members want to take stance and not tweet, that's fine, but the organization as a whole shouldn't.
- threatofrain 6y ago> Rust believes that tech is and always will be political- take some time today to invest in your community.
- bzb3 6y ago>Rust believes that tech is and always will be political Yeah, no thanks. And much less when you're taking a side. I mean, I know you're a Mozilla project after all, but eeek.
- ASalazarMX 6y agoPython Software Foundation's Twitter account did the same. I don't know how many more made a stance, but I needed to learn Wagtail CMS and they too went dark on their website. Maybe not all tech is political, but open source, freedom being one of its foundations, sure is. 0. https://twitter.com/ThePSF/status/1267591714925133825 https://twitter.com/ThePSF/status/1267591714925133825 1. https://wagtail.io/ https://wagtail.io/
- eesmith 6y agoFreedom includes the freedom to not do something. That's why when I modify a free software package for my own personal use and gratification, I'm not forced to distribute the changes to anyone, not even upstream. Archive.org's copies, like the one at https://web.archive.org/web/20190212143902/https://wagtail.io/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190212143902/https://wagtail.i... , seems usable. Plus, things like http://docs.wagtail.io/en/v2.4/ http://docs.wagtail.io/en/v2.4/ are still live.
- ASalazarMX 6y agoAlso any inner links are fine, like https://wagtail.io/features/ https://wagtail.io/features/. They didn't go completely dark, just their home page.