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> I'd never live in an area where I expected my car to be broken into unless I had no other options I live in a very nice area of DC, cars would get rifled thr

by MiroF 6y ago

> I'd never live in an area where I expected my car to be broken into unless I had no other options I live in a very nice area of DC, cars would get rifled through every ~2 months or so, very late at night and they would move very quickly. Many people have decided that it is worth their while to live there despite this minor inconvenience. If you don't want to live there, that's fine - but please don't vote for people who are going to institute stop & frisk and heavy policing of poor neighborhoods. Those policies don't even work to stop it - the cause is large wealth disparity in a small geographic region. You may have the choice to live in a certain area, many do not have the choice to live in areas where they are subject to demeaning patdowns and stops.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Sure, that makes sense to me. I will certainly avoid moving to cities where people are okay with crimes, so I won't have an opportunity to vote in their elections.
- MiroF 6y ago
  > avoid moving to cities where people are okay with crimes Pretty much every city is moving to less aggressive policing of petty crime largely because of its pretty blatant failure and the substantial negative impacts it has. Generally sounds like you'll probably want to stay in suburbia.
  - anjc 6y ago
    > I live in a very nice area of DC, cars would get rifled through every ~2 months or so > Generally sounds like you'll probably want to stay in suburbia. It rather sounds like you have a strange perspective on urban living. I can't speak for the US, but it isn't normal in any city in Europe for your car to be rifled through every 2 months in a nice area of a city. It isn't even normal for bad areas of cities. If it happens once in a person's life it would be bad luck.
    - MiroF 6y ago
      > I can't speak for the US, but it isn't normal in any city in Europe for your car to be rifled through every 2 months in a nice area of a city. I don't know how you have knowledge of the normal number of car break ins in every neighborhood of every city in Europe, but yes car breakins are not infrequent in the urban US. Ours was probably particularly frequent because it was being targeted by some sort of organized setup, but it is not uncommon. It's a function of the amount of inequity - Europe is generally has somewhat less wealth inequity in the United States and less generational poverty.
      - anjc 6y ago
        > car breakins are not infrequent in the urban US. Ours was probably particularly frequent because it was being targeted by some sort of organized setup, but it is not uncommon. > Generally sounds like you'll probably want to stay in suburbia. So the poster you replied to was correct to say that they can just move to cities where it isn't accepted that cars are frequently broken into. They don't have to stay safe in suburbia after all.
        MiroF 6y ago
        It is still quite frequent, if not as frequent as I experienced it (still, incidence is quite high in the Bay for instance). I don't really feel like mustering the mental energy to argue with what are ultimately pretty nit-picky objections. In sum, car breaks in happen, policing it generally doesn't work very well, stop & frisk is bad, don't vote for people who do it, thank you for coming to my ted talk.
marcosdumay 6y ago
> cars would get rifled through every ~2 months or so As a Brazilian, wow, that's a high crime area. People here voted a crazy wannabe dictator into the presidency because he promised to fix places that were less bad than this. Anyway, yes, random stop & frisk probably makes things worse, not better.
- MiroF 6y ago
  > that's a high crime area Brazil's homicide rate is like 7x the United States, I find it hard to believe that the occasional opening of a door and looking through your car would be high crime by Brazilian standards where people will literally get stopped by armed gangs and kidnapped out of their car. There were no murders where I lived, no muggings, no particularly violent crime of any kind - just some people would drive up to the rich neighborhoods at like 2:30 am and go through some cars.

by MiroF 6y ago

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

Sure, that makes sense to me. I will certainly avoid moving to cities where people are okay with crimes, so I won't have an opportunity to vote in their elections.

MiroF 6y ago
> avoid moving to cities where people are okay with crimes Pretty much every city is moving to less aggressive policing of petty crime largely because of its pretty blatant failure and the substantial negative impacts it has. Generally sounds like you'll probably want to stay in suburbia.
- anjc 6y ago
  > I live in a very nice area of DC, cars would get rifled through every ~2 months or so > Generally sounds like you'll probably want to stay in suburbia. It rather sounds like you have a strange perspective on urban living. I can't speak for the US, but it isn't normal in any city in Europe for your car to be rifled through every 2 months in a nice area of a city. It isn't even normal for bad areas of cities. If it happens once in a person's life it would be bad luck.
  - MiroF 6y ago
    > I can't speak for the US, but it isn't normal in any city in Europe for your car to be rifled through every 2 months in a nice area of a city. I don't know how you have knowledge of the normal number of car break ins in every neighborhood of every city in Europe, but yes car breakins are not infrequent in the urban US. Ours was probably particularly frequent because it was being targeted by some sort of organized setup, but it is not uncommon. It's a function of the amount of inequity - Europe is generally has somewhat less wealth inequity in the United States and less generational poverty.
    - anjc 6y ago
      > car breakins are not infrequent in the urban US. Ours was probably particularly frequent because it was being targeted by some sort of organized setup, but it is not uncommon. > Generally sounds like you'll probably want to stay in suburbia. So the poster you replied to was correct to say that they can just move to cities where it isn't accepted that cars are frequently broken into. They don't have to stay safe in suburbia after all.
      - MiroF 6y ago
        It is still quite frequent, if not as frequent as I experienced it (still, incidence is quite high in the Bay for instance). I don't really feel like mustering the mental energy to argue with what are ultimately pretty nit-picky objections. In sum, car breaks in happen, policing it generally doesn't work very well, stop & frisk is bad, don't vote for people who do it, thank you for coming to my ted talk.

marcosdumay 6y ago

> cars would get rifled through every ~2 months or so As a Brazilian, wow, that's a high crime area. People here voted a crazy wannabe dictator into the presidency because he promised to fix places that were less bad than this. Anyway, yes, random stop & frisk probably makes things worse, not better.

MiroF 6y ago
> that's a high crime area Brazil's homicide rate is like 7x the United States, I find it hard to believe that the occasional opening of a door and looking through your car would be high crime by Brazilian standards where people will literally get stopped by armed gangs and kidnapped out of their car. There were no murders where I lived, no muggings, no particularly violent crime of any kind - just some people would drive up to the rich neighborhoods at like 2:30 am and go through some cars.