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pro-Antifa means Pro Anti-Fascist which means to organise some movement against fascism. Would we really want people to be the inverse ? Meaning would we like

pro-Antifa means Pro Anti-Fascist which means to organise some movement against fascism. Would we really want people to be the inverse ? Meaning would we like them to be more fascist or accepting of fascism ? What exactly happened that AntiFa has become a group that people don't support ? Maybe I missed something there.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Antifa is best known for their violent intimidation of political dissidents.
gadders 6y ago
I think it depends on how you define "Fascist". Is it people that actually go around attacking people of colour? Or is it just a synonym for anyone not a Bernie-Bro? I think people also have a problem with the violent methods employed by Antifa, such as beating up unarmed journalists.
- Feuilles_Mortes 6y ago
  "Antifa" is highly decentralized, with as many autonomous groups as you can count affiliating themselves with the movement. This sort of sentiment sounds a bit like when out-of-touch news anchor refer to "the hacker known as 4chan". Many pacifists identify with "antifa". In general, provocative and non-defensive violence seems to be a strategy employed by a small minority of people involved in the anti-fascist movement. As is usually the case, the loudest voices are amplified, so the small amount of provocative violence is highlighted by the news media, as well as by the critics of the anti-fascist movement.
chlodwig 6y ago
And the Berlin Wall was the "Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart." Who could be against a wall to protect against incursions of fascism? What are you a fascist yourself? I'm going to form a group called the "anti-baddies alliance." Who could be for "baddies"? And we are going to combat "baddies" "by any means necessary", including taking over the streets, punching people we decide are real bad baddies, agitating to get baddies de-platformed. Who could be against this? Would we want the inverse? Do we want people to be more bad or more accepting of baddies? (Also, while we say we are just "anti-baddies", we will also unofficially have a set of positive beliefs about how society should be radically restructured that almost all of us share to some degree, and that we continually agitate for. But if we get called out on this, we will deny it and just say, "hey, we're just anti-baddies, who is against being anti-baddie"?
- fetbaffe 6y ago
  Anyone not believing in the Deutsche Demokratische Republik must be anti-democracy, thus fascist.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> What exactly happened that AntiFa has become a group that people don't support ? The rise of right-wing, racist, nationalist, jingoist, corporatist strong-man authoritarianism. I think there's a shorter term for that...
jungletime 6y ago
By that logic Uranus was named after your anus. See simple. And "The Ministry of Truth" always said true things. And the "Vice and Virtue Ministry" was a noble institution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_and_Virtue_Ministry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_and_Virtue_Ministry Why? because things and people are always named after what they are! See Biggus Dickus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx_G2a2hL6U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx_G2a2hL6U
fetbaffe 6y ago
Pro-Life means Pro-Humans which means to organize some movement against death. Would we really want people to be the inverse? Meaning would we like them to accept more of death?
SkyBelow 6y ago
This is assuming entities match their names. We only have to consider the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to see that is not the case.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

Antifa is best known for their violent intimidation of political dissidents.

gadders 6y ago

I think it depends on how you define "Fascist". Is it people that actually go around attacking people of colour? Or is it just a synonym for anyone not a Bernie-Bro? I think people also have a problem with the violent methods employed by Antifa, such as beating up unarmed journalists.

Feuilles_Mortes 6y ago
"Antifa" is highly decentralized, with as many autonomous groups as you can count affiliating themselves with the movement. This sort of sentiment sounds a bit like when out-of-touch news anchor refer to "the hacker known as 4chan". Many pacifists identify with "antifa". In general, provocative and non-defensive violence seems to be a strategy employed by a small minority of people involved in the anti-fascist movement. As is usually the case, the loudest voices are amplified, so the small amount of provocative violence is highlighted by the news media, as well as by the critics of the anti-fascist movement.

chlodwig 6y ago

And the Berlin Wall was the "Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart." Who could be against a wall to protect against incursions of fascism? What are you a fascist yourself? I'm going to form a group called the "anti-baddies alliance." Who could be for "baddies"? And we are going to combat "baddies" "by any means necessary", including taking over the streets, punching people we decide are real bad baddies, agitating to get baddies de-platformed. Who could be against this? Would we want the inverse? Do we want people to be more bad or more accepting of baddies? (Also, while we say we are just "anti-baddies", we will also unofficially have a set of positive beliefs about how society should be radically restructured that almost all of us share to some degree, and that we continually agitate for. But if we get called out on this, we will deny it and just say, "hey, we're just anti-baddies, who is against being anti-baddie"?

fetbaffe 6y ago
Anyone not believing in the Deutsche Demokratische Republik must be anti-democracy, thus fascist.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> What exactly happened that AntiFa has become a group that people don't support ? The rise of right-wing, racist, nationalist, jingoist, corporatist strong-man authoritarianism. I think there's a shorter term for that...

jungletime 6y ago

By that logic Uranus was named after your anus. See simple. And "The Ministry of Truth" always said true things. And the "Vice and Virtue Ministry" was a noble institution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_and_Virtue_Ministry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_and_Virtue_Ministry Why? because things and people are always named after what they are! See Biggus Dickus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx_G2a2hL6U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx_G2a2hL6U

fetbaffe 6y ago

Pro-Life means Pro-Humans which means to organize some movement against death. Would we really want people to be the inverse? Meaning would we like them to accept more of death?

SkyBelow 6y ago

This is assuming entities match their names. We only have to consider the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to see that is not the case.