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Microsoft announces Lists, a new Airtable-like app
- vittore 6y agoso finally sharepoint for humans
- stronglikedan 6y ago> Microsoft Lists is designed to be the next evolution of SharePoint Lists [0] Exactomundo! [0] https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/19/21263400/microsoft-lists-app-sharepoint-teams-outlook-integration-web-app-build https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/19/21263400/microsoft-lists-...
- drcongo 6y agoHuman friendly link: https://outline.com/muxSJF https://outline.com/muxSJF
- dawnerd 6y agoMight be better than TC, but outline still steals the back button.
- merrvk 6y agoWhy
- downvoteme1 6y agoTo eat Airtable’s lunch
- runawaybottle 6y agoI thought it was cooler to just buy startups instead of competing with them? I can’t tell what’s cool anymore.
- pxtail 6y agoThey already have Access so no need to buy another copy, they just need to add more modern, streamlined UI and a bit of Excel functionality.
- runawaybottle 6y agoWhy not just eliminate Airtable as a competitor and move those efforts to whatever this Fluid thing is?
- tehwebguy 6y agoThere are like 10 airtable clones waiting to take their spot
- quickthrower2 6y agoYeah, just a couple of scrum sprints and !puff! Access turns into Airtable
- throwawaysea 6y agoI think acquiring startups and integrating them is difficult. Microsoft hasn't had a great track record with acquisitions of late (aQuantive, Skype, Yammer) but have done better with straight up clones of products/ideas/markets created by others. You can see this in Azure (clone of AWS), Teams (clone of Slack), and now this.
- DevKoala 6y agoIt depends on what the startup offers and what market they are in. Microsoft's acquisition of LinkedIn is a successful one for example.
- roboyoshi 6y agoOh this will be so useful for comparison lists, inventory for small companies and much more. AirTable is a really cool product and I hope Lists is using the power of excel with proper image support.
- blakesterz 6y agoThe announcement has some other details: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-365-blog/announcing-microsoft-lists-your-smart-information-tracking-app/ba-p/1372233 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-365-blog/an...
- ksec 6y agoCan we change the link into the one above? The Techcrunch article is awful. And the Microsoft site actually offers more details.
- dang 6y agoOk, we've changed to that from https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/19/microsoft-launches-lists-a-new-airtable-like-app-for-microsoft-365/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/19/microsoft-launches-lists-a.... Thanks!
- koheripbal 6y agoNo task hierarchy? How can you possibly manage anything without hierarchy? No task list is worth anything if you cannot chunk it down. If all you need is literally a list - just write them on a doc. The rest is all fluff.
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- kalev 6y agoOfftopic: techcrunch’ ux is weird, clicking x-button in the right top sends me to the homepage. I didn’t even open a modal, lol
- Reedx 6y agoWorse, if you try to copy the headline (like say, for HN) it closes. It's been that way for months.
- rodiger 6y agoDid they try to add a hotkey to C or something? Can't imagine what's going on there.
- Reedx 6y agoIt's happening onMouseUp. Trying to copy the headline triggers that (after selecting the text), or simply clicking on it. It seems the div has the same functionality as the X button. I assumed it was a mistake, but it's been so long now I wonder if it's intentional.
- wlesieutre 6y agoThey also hijack the back button if you scroll down too far, even having not clicked anything
- dgellow 6y agoIf you come from Europe, TechCrunch is literally unreadable as they are blocking their content behind a full screen and buggy consent form that I cannot validate (also, that’s against GDPR rules, ...)
- bobsoap 6y agouMatrix has been preventing me from accessing TechCrunch for some time now since they now perform a full redirect to advertising.com. I can only assume it's because they want me to consent to a long list of privacy checkboxes or something. I just don't bother with them anymore.
- DevKoala 6y agoSo Microsoft just copies any successful small product that shows up? Trying to prevent another competitor the size of Slack/Zoom? To the people at large companies working on replicating small company products. How do you motivate yourself?
- stronglikedan 6y ago> So Microsoft just copies any successful small product that shows up? Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Google, Facebook, or any other company that has the resources to do so. They're all the same in that regard.
- wpietri 6y agoAlthough I will give Apple credit for being the best at that. They are so successful that predecessor products go right in the memory hole, and Apple gets credit not just for their product, but for the whole category. E.g., the MP3 players before the iPod, the smartphones before the iPhone, and the smartwatches before the iWatch. (RIP respectively my Archos player, my Palm Treo, and my Pebble.)
- wmeredith 6y ago> predecessor products go right in the memory hole I think this phenomena is an artifact of how well they enter a market. Pre-iPhone smartphones were really bad. They all instantly felt 10 years old the day the iPhone released. That's probably the most extreme example, though.
- amitport 6y agoPeople from Microsoft or from the startups?
- throwawaysea 6y agoI don't know why you're getting downvoted; you are definitely correct. Companies like Microsoft, Google, and Amazon are simply copying others and applying their large capital/labor pool to product categories or markets created by more-deserving smaller players. Apart from this playbook feeling unfair and resulting in undeserved success for these companies, I think it is also a danger for innovation. It signals to would-be investors that backing a startup may result in them having thrown away capital just to have a big behemoth brute force their way into that startup's niche later on. It tells founders that they might throw away years of their life for a return that isn't what they would otherwise expect. And it undermines society by continuing massive aggregation and control of the digital world under a few big players. To me, all of this is a sign that we need renewed antitrust laws to split up Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, and other players that have too much control.
- intopieces 6y agoI wish that companies would not release information about their apps until they are ready. Perhaps Microsoft is attempting to head off current Office365 subscribers from putting their workflows in AirTable by telling them that a similar product is on their horizon, but it I just don't know what to do with dates like "Coming this summer" and "later this year." Either I have the need now, in which case I'm probably using AirTable, or I'm going to sort of forget about this software until someone else on my team gets everyone together and asks them to migrate to it.
- andybak 6y agoFor me it's a case of "you only get one chance to make a first impression". I'm interested now. By the time it's released I might not hear about it or I might have lost interest. At least always provide a "notify me" email option.
- jimbokun 6y agoMicrosoft FUD is back!
- intopieces 6y agoWhat does this mean?
- jimbokun 6y agoFear Uncertainty and Doubt. In the days leading up to Microsoft's antitrust case, Microsoft would routinely pre-announce competing products, or announce they would be adding functionality from other competing products into Windows or Office. Even without releasing anything, just these announcements would create Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt in their competitors and customers considering investing in their products.
- vondur 6y agoIt means, why consider using something like Airtable? Microsoft has this new product coming out that will do the same thing, and it's from Microsoft. No one gets fired for buying Microsoft.
- baxtr 6y agoI’d call this product WunderLists
- intopieces 6y agoIsn't Microsoft's implementation of Wunderlists the To Do app (https://todo.microsoft.com/tasks/ https://todo.microsoft.com/tasks/)? This seems similar, but the article points out it's a distinct product. Do you know if any of the Wunderlist developers worked on this app?
- throwaway123x2 6y agoThis is probably the best TODO app that I've used. Nice, simple workflow.
- andygcook 6y agoSharepoint does billions in revenue per year for Microsoft. Besides competing directly with Airtable, Lists combined with Sharepoint will also likely help to head off Notion, which has docs, sheets, and boards bundled together.
- jordanmorgan10 6y agoKinda feels like they are unassumingly on a roll?
- paxys 6y agoWouldn't be Microsoft without releasing 7 versions of the same thing.
- vulcan01 6y agoWell, not as bad as Google with their multiple chat applications...
- itsspring 6y agoSalesforce offers Quip, which is a competitor to Notion
- jsgo 6y agoisn't Lists essentially Sharepoint Lists or is it more involved?
- jimbokun 6y agoUnder Balmer, Microsoft was stuck on the idea that Windows and Office defined their market, and any strategy had to enforce their centrality. Nadella realized that Microsoft's actual market is Business Software, and is attacking the modern software categories in that market. Azure is the biggest example. Using their customer base and channel to sell cloud computing. Github and LinkedIn as acquisitions fitting this strategy. Lists seems to compete in some ways with Trello and JIRA, recognizing this as an important Business Software category Microsoft can compete in and leverage connections with other Microsoft software.
- nojito 6y ago>Under Balmer, Microsoft was stuck on the idea that Windows and Office defined their market, and any strategy had to enforce their centrality. Corporate/business revenue skyrocketed under Ballmer's reign. The fact that MS had its hands in so many markets causes people to focus on the failures and ignore the business/enterprise/corporate success he helped MS achieve.
- dgellow 6y agoThe comment you answered to (and the part you quoted) doesn’t say anything about revenue. What are you answering to?
- fermienrico 6y agoIsn't revenue one of the main if not the top metric that define "success" in a business?
- PopeDotNinja 6y agoBallmer took over Microsoft at the height of the dotcom bubble valuations when pretty much everything in tech was overpriced. Any expectation that Microsoft's revenue would catch up to its inflated valuation in a short time frame was a great way to feel disappointed.
- chickenpotpie 6y agoDAE read articles like this and think “why are we wasting so much time building nearly identical systems in software?” When an article says “it’s like this, but” so many times I can’t help but think “why didn’t they just make that service more powerful or more configurable? Why does it have to be something completely new and specific instead of a versatile platform?”
- pmichaud 6y agoI think there are lots of reasons, some of which are unfortunate (eg. lock in), and some of which are great: we want a bunch of people trying novel things, and separately, one man's "versatile platform" is another man's "stagnant bloatware."
- chickenpotpie 6y agoThe lock in part is the part that frustrates me. Full disclosure, I’ve never done any product management or run a company. I don’t understand how people can sit down and say “ok let’s build the worlds 200th todo app. We’re going to build it to be just like every other one with a small tweak and if we ever want to build it differently we’ll build the worlds 201st todo app.”
- dgellow 6y agoSome users will care about the small tweak you mention. Maybe enough to have a viable business. As a user it’s good to have choice caused by competition.
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- notatoad 6y agohave you seen how users react to change? once a product has a decent sized userbase, it's essentially locked into it's current status unless you want to make a whole lot of people really angry. Airtable can't innovate on their original ideas anymore, the only way to evolve that product is for a competitor to make a new one. that's how we get better and better tools.
- somethoughts 6y agoSomewhat tangential (more Excel related) but had to put these videos by Krazam somewhere at some point on HN. Enjoy! MAKRO | Microsoft Excel Stream Highlights 3/19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xubbVvKbUfY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xubbVvKbUfY MAKRO | XLOOKUP: META BREAKER? | Microsoft Excel Stream Highlights 10/19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICp2-EUKQAI&t=148s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICp2-EUKQAI&t=148s
- didip 6y agoWhile we are talking about Airtable, anyone used it before? I am thinking of using it to track daily habit of my family but the UI seemed too complex.
- seancoleman 6y agoAirtable has a learning curve, but it's life-changing once you're comfortable with it. To me, it felt like discovering spreadsheets when I had only worked with documents before.
- sshumaker 6y agoReally? I found it significantly more limiting than what I can accomplish in Google Sheets / Excel (although admittedly I'm a power user). The UI and mobile app is way better though.
- bnt 6y agoWe run a fairly large business on it, and it's great from a UI standpoint, but for anything complex (such as reporting) we do dumps to Google Sheets where we run formulas to extract what we need. If I was starting all over, most likely I'd go directly for Google Sheets next time.
- pge 6y agoI would characterize myself as an Excel power user, and I love Airtable. The use case is different. Airtable is great for setting up a web-based relational DB app for multiple users very quickly. For example, I have used airtable to implement a CRM system for a small but distributed team of non-technical users. I haven’t found anything else that allows me to set up such an application so easily and quickly.
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- sjg007 6y agoWhat is life changing about it?
- abtinf 6y agoI'm sometimes tempted to use and recommend Airtable. There is a lot to like. But their "records-per-base" limit is a complete non-starter. The highest tier of service (before Enterprise) has 50k record cap, which disqualifies it for many reasonable use cases. Apologists for Airtable hand-wave away this concern. They say Airtable has integrations with other systems and databases; that Airtable is meant for current data only; that its not meant to store complete histories; that larger databases would be too resource-consuming. None of it is persuasive. The limit seems arbitrary and seems obviously intended to drive businesses into the Enterprise pricing. I've even tried to contact them about it in the past, to get a larger limit. I was starting work on a non-fiction book and thought it would make a great writing support tool for gathering facts and evidence. But I never heard back.
- GeneralTspoon 6y agoHard API limits on 100 rows returned at a time also make it completely infeasible for some use cases. Last time I checked, this couldn't even be lifted for enterprise customers too.
- notenoughhorses 6y agoI used fieldbook prior to Airtable, but unfortunately they closed down and I am still sad about it. They had a better pricing model (well, for me, obviously not for them since they couldn't sustain a business), and a magical search function that would find different bits of your search string in different fields. I have one client I use airtable with, but their pricing makes almost everything else not feasible for me.
- mjw1007 6y agoMaking it per-base rather than per-user is odd. Suppose I'm thinking of using airtable to build something shared between all our staff. If I have 10 staff on the pro tier they can add 5000 items each. But if I pay ten times as much for 100 staff they can only add 500 items each. My guess is that it's more of a technical limit, and they had difficulty making it perform well for larger bases.
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- qppo 6y agoThis product announcement taught me that airtable exists and got me interested in it. I don't know why all the comments here are so snide. I wish my company's product was validated by having TC announce the largest player in our domain was creating a direct competitor to our product. Because I know they can't beat us on price or performance, and creating an inferior product that does the same thing (with a product announcement on TC giving our f'ing name alongside it!) would make me a wealthier man. Money can't buy this kind of ad.
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- nxc18 6y agoIt’s bundled with office, so for enterprise customers (where the $$$ is), Lists is free whereas AirTable is not. Even with any pricing adjustments, I find it very unlikely office customers would save going with AirTable. Maybe they have a market in GSuite customers? Just like with Teams and Slack, the office product just has to be good enough, and it will succeed. Microsoft doesn’t need to make money off it, just protect their office subscriptions. Slack and AirTable need to make money.
- flanbiscuit 6y agoYeah I know someone who is working on rolling out AirTable to many departments in their company over the last few months. This big enterprise corp uses MS Office 365 already (like many big corps). And with so many companies looking to cut corners, with a free product available incorporated into a suite of apps they already pay for why continue to pay for AirTable? This might make AirTable loose a pretty large customer even if the actual end users in the company prefers AirTable.
- rhizome 6y agoHow much is AirTable support? How much is Lists/365's?
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- kaugesaar 6y agoIt's just something with lots of Microsoft's latest software that annoys me. They all feel behind, laggy and lacking features in comparison to their competitor. Slack > Teams Trello > Planner PowerBi > Tableau, Looker, Mode And by the quick looks of it: Airtable > Lists At the same time I'm looking at that $136 billion cash pile. Oh well, at least they acquired Github...
- nojito 6y agoTeams is leagues better than Slack simply because of how well it integrates with all of the other ms apps. PowerBI is also on another level when compared to other BI tools due to its data modeling capabilities.
- cannam 6y agoAre Teams and Slack competitors at all? I thought one was targeted document sharing, calendaring, and video meetings, and the other was general group chat and asynchronous communication? I haven't used either to an enormous extent - I've used both, but only to the extent that I've had to in recent weeks - anyone care to educate me?
- evanmoran 6y agoSure, Teams is Slack plus Zoom with Office 365 integration. It turns out that chat follows an organization’s team structures really well, so adding video conferencing and document sharing to channels are a really natural fit to help people work together.
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- sergiotapia 6y agoMy children are on Teams for school from home, it's dogshit. It has that ugly MS-of-2011 sheen where anything you click you get empty white loading or worse yet a huge spinning GIF with no idea what's happening. Sorry I'm being so rough, but I have to deal with this software every day right before work and it pisses me off.
- kiwiguy 6y agoto be honest, I cannot believe it has taken this long for the likes of either Google, Microsoft etc to build a product like this. FANG is like the old dog that's chasing the puppy.
- treebornfrog 6y ago$Msft cooking up that copy pasta once again.
- pge 6y agoWhen Airtable came out, I remember hearing a lot of comparisons to MSFT Access (enabling non-technical users to set up DB-driven apps). Funny to see it come full circle and have MSFT now introduce a competitor. Maybe they should have invested in keeping Access current instead of leaving it stuck in the 90s?
- whoisjuan 6y agoThey went full carbon-copy with this product, so it seems that they acknowledge that the UX in this space is key. How do you upgrade the UX of a legacy product like Access without pissing off everyone? You can't. Old habits die hard. Modernizing or changing any fundamental UX in Access is probably a very unpopular choice within their current userbase and likely more expensive than starting from scratch. It's simpler to go and copy Airtable which is already proven to be a successful model/UX and let that product cannibalize the market of your legacy products.
- coffeemug 6y ago> How do you upgrade the UX of a legacy product like Access without pissing off everyone? Incrementally.
- kevingadd 6y agoThe way people reacted to the Ribbon disagrees with you :) Toolbars specifically were replaced with an improved chunk of UI, everything else was left the same, and people were furious. Rightly so, to a degree - learning to use it was an adjustment. Now imagine that the whole app's UI incrementally changed and not just parts of it... nobody's gonna be happy about that.
- eitland 6y ago> Toolbars specifically were replaced with an improved chunk of UI, everything else was left the same Was hiding the file menu items behind a round logo that looked nothing like a button part of that improved UI? Is the current file menu that looks like the rest of the menus but behaves totally different part of the improved UI?
- giancarlostoro 6y agoSo I'm not trying to sound negative, but it seems like Airtable falls under what I call the JIRA / Excel space of software. You let the end-user do unlimited things and it sold itself, I guess in a sense you could throw MongoDB in there too. It may not be a perfect solution to someone who does develop software, but for someone who just saved several salaries for hiring a developer it is definitely a gold mine. Funnily enough, this looks like it's capable of replacing JIRA and Airtables in one swoop. If you're already hooked into Teams, it's an easy integration. Slack needs to play catch up before Teams steals all their candy.
- viraptor 6y ago> Slack needs to play catch up before Teams steals all their candy. It may steal a lot, but there's a large number of companies which neither run office/exchange nor are they interested to start doing it. Slack will rule there.
- giancarlostoro 6y agoI completely agree, and that is okay. I do have to admit though, Teams has a lot to offer from the amount of time I have been using it. I've also heard of some public schools using it extensively to manage classrooms and students, at least here in Central Florida (Sidenote: it surprises me when other places I would assume have 'advanced' study from home programs do not but we do).
- mrfusion 6y agoIs it bad I’ve missed out on winning medium sized projects by teaching clients how to use air table and do it themselves?
- polskibus 6y agoI'm really disappointed at Build conference this year. Very little about programming, C# and .NET. I'm worried that it is a dying platform. I'm not interested in the Azure side of things, I'd like to see more investment and genuine innovation in the foundations like languages, runtimes, libraries.
- devmunchies 6y agoI was learning OCaml and was going to learn F# but I sensed that the whole .net family was losing steam.
- 1123581321 6y agoC# is roughly on an 18-month release cycle for major versions. I’d be surprised if your org has finished getting up to speed on 8 yet. The next .net release should be next year. .net core is in the middle of a release right now. I think the timing of Build is just bad. But you’re also right that they are not as attention-grabbing as the consumer-oriented and power-user-oriented releases or as strategically critical as Azure.
- legulere 6y agoSo this is a modern visual fox pro?
- tonydiv 6y agoLogical for MS to copy here. Airtable is such a powerful simple solution, I had people who had never worked with computers using it daily. I've now built 2 companies on Airtable - thank you for building wonderful software! Right there next to Figma for me.
- pupdogg 6y agoLooking at this sales site for Lists, the biggest thing that stands out for me is the JPG compression they're using for the app screenshots...in 2020, it's anything but acceptable!
- m0zg 6y agoIn the meanwhile, Microsoft ToDo app is broken: when you sort alphabetically, inexplicably, completed items are not sorted alphabetically, which makes the app useless for grocery shopping. If someone from MSFT is listening, do please fix.
- gdsdfe 6y agoso it's a shiny todo app ?!?
- russellbeattie 6y ago30+ years and counting, Microsoft (and others) are still trying to capture the functionality of Lotus Notes. Sort of admirable in a way, but also very sad for the rest of us.
- duaoebg 6y agoThink about how sad it must be for Ray Ozzie. He really tried.
- hermitcrab 6y agoFrom the screenshots, this looks like a shameless rip-off of Airtable. In the same way that Bing Adcenter is a shameless rip-off of Google Ads. I understand why MS do it, but anyone who works on either of these products should feel a bit dirty. BTW Airtable is a great product. I used it to create a database system for a local charity and it has been transformative for them.
- CodeSheikh 6y agoThis looks like a product push to make the most out of WAH during COVID-19 crisis. On similar note, I must say that Zoom ate Skype's lunch within weeks and MS marketing team has royally screwed that one up.
- arez 6y agowait they have MS teams which has way more users
- viraptor 6y agoI wonder if Airtable will be tempted to / research suing MS. This is not just "same market, similar functionality" like Teams/Slack, or even Excel/Sheets. This is a literal copy, together with the visual style, layout, feel of the icons. Without the sidebar, I could not tell this is not Airtable in most screenshots.
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- zengid 6y agoCan anyone comment on whether Lists, (and especially Teams) are Electron based, or React Native perhaps since Microsoft has a lot of support for that? There is that "webplatformy" look and feel, but I'm not sure?
- fastball 6y agoI don't know, but given MSFTs work with Typescript and React Native, I'm betting Teams and now Lists are probably Typescript React Native apps.
- macspoofing 6y agoI don't know why, but I'm getting Web 2.0 vibes from this product.
- alphachloride 6y agoI was hoping they would have integration with the Sticky Notes application in Windows 10.
- andrewstuart 6y agoAirTable is incredibly reminiscent of Lotus Notes. I say that in a good way. Lotus Notes was the first no-code system for developing networked/people/workgroup oriented systems. Notes lost its way, but Airtable has extracted the essential essence of the Notes client and done an amazing job of making it work. Airtable is worth checking out in detail because it's implemented extremely well with great attention to detail and beautiful solutions to thorny UI problems.
- andrewstuart 6y agoI wonder if the developers/designers are aware of the common ancestry with Lotus Notes. I suspect not because it looks like the founders are too young to have even used Notes - my guess is this is a clean reinvention.
- howsta 6y agoFounder of Airtable here--we did look at Lotus Notes as an interesting historical precedent, though of course we've also invented from scratch in many cases, and being web-based and collaborative by default is a huge wedge for us in terms of adoption virality. I admit I'm too young to have used Lotus Notes but we did buy an old Lotus Notes guidebook, as well as looked up old Infoworld and other magazine articles (Google Books indexes those magazines!) about Notes, dBase, and other products in the genre : ).
- andrewstuart 6y agoCool to see the founder here. People loved or hated Notes. It was way, way ahead of its time. It was really the very first system that integrated the concept or networking, users, groups, a replicated database, nosql unstructured data, form building and in built security with a sophisticated GUI.
- prepend 6y agoI hated it because it was hard to get data out of it and no way as a user to automate tasks. I think it was great if you had departmental developers building stuff, but I hated not being able to make my own forms. And I hated having to open up Notes in 2010 to click a procurement button or a timesheet button. If it was web-based (or had an api) I could have just scripted requests to do the same thing.
- shironineja 6y agoLists seems a lot like an existing product from Microsoft called PowerApps https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/ https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/ That is a lot like Airtable too and has been out for a number of years.
- prepend 6y agoThis seems more like SharePoint lists than Airtable. And SharePoint Lists are an absolute pain to work with using any typical structured data patterns. I’ve run into many weird List workflows made by non developers to try to save money on developers and they just end up creating all these manual steps and wonky forms with horrible UX to do simple things like “add a document in a specific category.” I wish they would make “cloud access” as it would be bette than all these half web, half excel macro spatchcock solutions. I think the forms+workflow with data in the cloud is done well with airtable and also pretty close with appian, Salesforce and others.
- sixdimensional 6y agoI'm surprised that so many in the comments don't seem to be making the connection with Sharepoint lists. I need to look deeper at this, but I think this is more like Sharepoint lists on steroids. And what are they going to do with PowerApps? It was always missing a really good data grid.
- miffy900 6y agoI'd say it seems like a kind of re-invention of the UI for SharePoint lists. I wouldn't be surprised if the backend for this was really just some generalization of the existing code base that implemented SharePoint list functionality.
- Estyn 6y agoIt is SharePoint lists under the hood. Looks like they also have PowerApps integration as well as power automate.
- ComodoHacker 6y agoIs this the reason Notion has adjusted its pricing?
- nhumrich 6y agoNotion actually announced new pricing hours before Microsoft announced this.
- nslindtner 6y agoI'm surprised about how many of Microsofts announcements isn't working products. Seems pretty big this build. The purpose of this announcement seems only to stop enterprise people from starting to use AirTable.
- red_admiral 6y agoThere are a few UI problems on this page, which are quite in line with my Office 365 experience at my workplace. Near the top of the page there's those four screenshots in a grid and you get the "image zoom (+)" cursor when you hover on it. Clicking it brings up ... a smaller version of the image ??? About halfway down, a pop-up box gets in the way. I dismiss it, and get sent back to the top of the page. I'm afraid MS is building an ecosystem where this kind of thing is seen as acceptable - anyone who's used sharepoint a lot knows what I mean. A pet peeve of mine there is my "groups" appear in a bar on the left, but a second or two after the page loads, my "favourites" appear there too pushing the original groups down. The number of times I've clicked on the wrong one because it changed under my moues cursor ... and I'm not even going to start on the broken scrolling on a long sharepoint page where it dynamically loads the content bit by bit. Much as I don't want to be one more Microsoft-hater (I really liked the last non-cloud version of office), their current strategy seems to be take something popular and launch a business version with worse UX. Compare for example: Trello and MS planner.
- eitland 6y ago> A pet peeve of mine there is my "groups" appear in a bar on the left, but a second or two after the page loads, my "favourites" appear there too pushing the original groups down. The number of times I've clicked on the wrong one because it changed under my moues cursor ... I've had colleagues report (and seen it happen) similar behavior in Google search results. Less seriously I'd expect this to be just lack of care in SharePoints case (anyone actually is ready to click the link as it shows up, haha...) and the result of a random mutation that created significantly higher ad click rate short term and was therefore selected in Googles case ;-)
- serverQuestion 6y agoIs this comparable to SeaTable? [0] [0] https://seatable.io/ https://seatable.io/
- swah 6y agoHow can Airtable survive this? I wish MS had bought them instead...
- olav 6y agoSo, what are the opensource alternatives?
- antman 6y agoSeatable is nice open source alternative that allows personal and business use. https://seatable.io/ https://seatable.io/
- patwalls 6y ago(for users in the G Suite ecosystem) I've built an Airtable-like product that lives inside your inbox and is directly linked to your email conversations. https://trypigeon.co https://trypigeon.co