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Let's be more specific. It's republicans.

by suby 6y ago

grecy 6y ago
While they're currently in the spotlight, I'd go so far as to say it's any politician trying to get (re)elected. That's their job, after all. \s
aaomidi 6y ago
And even more specific. The establishment. They're too scared of losing power and control.
DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
But why Florida, though? I can understand more rural states, but has the GOP made a spreadsheet that determined the number of elderly GOP voters who will die by reopening early will be cancelled-out by younger swing-voters who would vote for Trump's second-term because they reopened Florida early? Or do the models suggest that they'll die _after_ the election? Or will they do early re-openings only in Dem-leaning population centers?
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- slimed 6y ago
  Show me the data that indicates states that have opened in the last two weeks are experiencing spiking positives for the virus. Sure, I'll wait.
  - ckolkey 6y ago
    Wait no longer! Here you go: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/05/15/texas-coronavirus-deaths-spike-as-cities-lag-state-drive-to-reopen/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/05/15/te...
    - slimed 6y ago
      My God! 58 deaths! Must be time to shut everything down and have great depression part deux!
      - NotSammyHagar 6y ago
        How many excess deaths are okay? 1000? 10,000? It's a false dichotomy to trade off a complete shutdown vs giving up on covid-19. The right strategy is get ppe and testing, then we can more carefully open things up. Make rules that people have to wear masks when they are close to others. Then you can more safely open things up. It's not one or the other.
        slimed 6y ago
        How many excess deaths are not okay? 1? 10? The right strategy is to grin and bear it like our ancestors did. We'll have a vaccine soon enough. Or not. Either way, welcome to Planet Earth. Most of us Earthlings would prefer to live rather than hide.
        NotSammyHagar 6y ago
        My point is there's not a choice only between staying at home and our idiotic state by state opening up w no plan or safety plan. We can open up when safe, have actual protections , ppe, testing together.
        slimed 6y ago
        You need to accept that is not going to happen any time soon. We don't have the luxury of sitting on our hands indefinitely.
    - creato 6y ago
      Looking at the data for Texas holistically, it's unclear that there is a change in the trend in the last few weeks. In general I think this whole idealogical battle over reopening is really dumb. There isn't going to be either a significant economic recovery or a spike in cases, because only a tiny minority of people are going to actually behave the way they did before the shutdowns. Most people are still not going to engage in activities that really spread the virus significantly (densely pack restaurants, large indoor gatherings) and many, many people will wear masks.
vyhd 6y ago
It really is startling how reviled this sort of comment tends to be, despite the overarching trend of Republican leadership to systemically misrepresent and falsify data to support their views. The next time Democrats pull these shenanigans, name and shame them. Both-sides-ism only obscures the bad actors that should be directly pressured to do better.
- icelancer 6y ago
  Deleting due to HN hivemind.
  - aaronbrethorst 6y ago
    That's just, like, your opinion, man. Here's what several news organizations have to say about Ron DeSantis (R-FL): "Stop hiding true COVID-19 stats, Gov. DeSantis. Our lives are still at risk" — https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article242557271.html https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article242557... "Florida avoided COVID-19 catastrophe by ignoring DeSantis, Trump" — https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/fl-op-com-schultz-governor-ron-desantis-public-trust-20200512-llb6fmxjwvg6pm3alyhghl7wiu-story.html https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/fl-op-com-sc... "[Florida] blocked medical examiners from making public their own fatality counts and released a list of those deaths last week only after redacting key information" — https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/does-florida-gov-ron-desantis-know-what-hes-doing-were-about-to-find-out/2020/05/08/8bf6537c-9135-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/does-florida-gov-ro... Edit: the Cuomo section is an edit made after I posted this, as is the [0] addendum
    - icelancer 6y ago
      Deleting due to HN hivemind.
      - aaronbrethorst 6y ago
        True, but you did bothsides it without offering any examples to back up your opinion.
harwoodleon 6y ago
It’s not only happening in the US. The true numbers will be very hard to see, everywhere.
- rorykoehler 6y ago
  We can only look at increase of total deaths from mean and decrease of deaths per category (ie traffic etc) from mean.
- CaptainZapp 6y ago
  While that may be true and could only really be resolved by testing 100% of the population please do show me another democratic, developed and wealthy country where systematic massaging of facts and numbers is so widespread. You may have a number of conservative talking heads in the UK yelling for reopening, but in no other place I know of the virus is actually a partisan issue. One of the reasons, in my book, why the US response is so terrible compared to just about every other rich country.
  - bzb3 6y ago
    Spain and its social-communist government.
mrmonkeyman 6y ago
Why is this not downvoted into oblivion?
iamaelephant 6y ago
Do Americans not see how comments like this are a major part of the problem?
ddrt 6y ago
Oh no, it’s despotism.
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dang 6y ago
Please don't take HN threads into brain-dead partisan flamewar. It's always the same, and it's not why we're here. (No, this is not because I'm supporting Republicans. I'm supporting HN.) https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23231556 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23231556.
russellbeattie 6y ago
I was wondering how long before this got flagged. As I was just saying in another comment, the right wing, Ayn Rand reading libertarians here on HN are enthusiastic Trump supporters, and will actively downvote or flag any criticism of the Republican party. They're not trying to keep HN non-political, as much as they claim to, they're just brown shirts actively censuring criticism of their sacred leader and party. Simple as that.
- Chris2048 6y ago
  > will actively downvote or flag any criticism of the Republican party And a low-effort, context free swipe at the GOP proves this? Removing these posts is keeping HN non-political, describing down-voters as "brownshirts" (i.e. Nazis) is not.
  - russellbeattie 6y ago
    If the shirt fits...

Let's be more specific. It's republicans.

by suby 6y ago

Let's be more specific. It's republicans.

While they're currently in the spotlight, I'd go so far as to say it's any politician trying to get (re)elected. That's their job, after all. \s

aaomidi 6y ago

And even more specific. The establishment. They're too scared of losing power and control.

DaiPlusPlus 6y ago

But why Florida, though? I can understand more rural states, but has the GOP made a spreadsheet that determined the number of elderly GOP voters who will die by reopening early will be cancelled-out by younger swing-voters who would vote for Trump's second-term because they reopened Florida early? Or do the models suggest that they'll die _after_ the election? Or will they do early re-openings only in Dem-leaning population centers?

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slimed 6y ago
Show me the data that indicates states that have opened in the last two weeks are experiencing spiking positives for the virus. Sure, I'll wait.
- ckolkey 6y ago
  Wait no longer! Here you go: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/05/15/texas-coronavirus-deaths-spike-as-cities-lag-state-drive-to-reopen/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/05/15/te...
  - slimed 6y ago
    My God! 58 deaths! Must be time to shut everything down and have great depression part deux!
    - NotSammyHagar 6y ago
      How many excess deaths are okay? 1000? 10,000? It's a false dichotomy to trade off a complete shutdown vs giving up on covid-19. The right strategy is get ppe and testing, then we can more carefully open things up. Make rules that people have to wear masks when they are close to others. Then you can more safely open things up. It's not one or the other.
      - slimed 6y ago
        How many excess deaths are not okay? 1? 10? The right strategy is to grin and bear it like our ancestors did. We'll have a vaccine soon enough. Or not. Either way, welcome to Planet Earth. Most of us Earthlings would prefer to live rather than hide.
        NotSammyHagar 6y ago
        My point is there's not a choice only between staying at home and our idiotic state by state opening up w no plan or safety plan. We can open up when safe, have actual protections , ppe, testing together.
        slimed 6y ago
        You need to accept that is not going to happen any time soon. We don't have the luxury of sitting on our hands indefinitely.
  - creato 6y ago
    Looking at the data for Texas holistically, it's unclear that there is a change in the trend in the last few weeks. In general I think this whole idealogical battle over reopening is really dumb. There isn't going to be either a significant economic recovery or a spike in cases, because only a tiny minority of people are going to actually behave the way they did before the shutdowns. Most people are still not going to engage in activities that really spread the virus significantly (densely pack restaurants, large indoor gatherings) and many, many people will wear masks.

vyhd 6y ago

It really is startling how reviled this sort of comment tends to be, despite the overarching trend of Republican leadership to systemically misrepresent and falsify data to support their views. The next time Democrats pull these shenanigans, name and shame them. Both-sides-ism only obscures the bad actors that should be directly pressured to do better.

icelancer 6y ago
Deleting due to HN hivemind.
- aaronbrethorst 6y ago
  That's just, like, your opinion, man. Here's what several news organizations have to say about Ron DeSantis (R-FL): "Stop hiding true COVID-19 stats, Gov. DeSantis. Our lives are still at risk" — https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article242557271.html https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article242557... "Florida avoided COVID-19 catastrophe by ignoring DeSantis, Trump" — https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/fl-op-com-schultz-governor-ron-desantis-public-trust-20200512-llb6fmxjwvg6pm3alyhghl7wiu-story.html https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/fl-op-com-sc... "[Florida] blocked medical examiners from making public their own fatality counts and released a list of those deaths last week only after redacting key information" — https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/does-florida-gov-ron-desantis-know-what-hes-doing-were-about-to-find-out/2020/05/08/8bf6537c-9135-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/does-florida-gov-ro... Edit: the Cuomo section is an edit made after I posted this, as is the [0] addendum
  - icelancer 6y ago
    Deleting due to HN hivemind.
    - aaronbrethorst 6y ago
      True, but you did bothsides it without offering any examples to back up your opinion.

harwoodleon 6y ago

It’s not only happening in the US. The true numbers will be very hard to see, everywhere.

rorykoehler 6y ago
We can only look at increase of total deaths from mean and decrease of deaths per category (ie traffic etc) from mean.
CaptainZapp 6y ago
While that may be true and could only really be resolved by testing 100% of the population please do show me another democratic, developed and wealthy country where systematic massaging of facts and numbers is so widespread. You may have a number of conservative talking heads in the UK yelling for reopening, but in no other place I know of the virus is actually a partisan issue. One of the reasons, in my book, why the US response is so terrible compared to just about every other rich country.
- bzb3 6y ago
  Spain and its social-communist government.

mrmonkeyman 6y ago

Why is this not downvoted into oblivion?

iamaelephant 6y ago

Do Americans not see how comments like this are a major part of the problem?

ddrt 6y ago

Oh no, it’s despotism.

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dang 6y ago

Please don't take HN threads into brain-dead partisan flamewar. It's always the same, and it's not why we're here. (No, this is not because I'm supporting Republicans. I'm supporting HN.) https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23231556 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23231556.

russellbeattie 6y ago

I was wondering how long before this got flagged. As I was just saying in another comment, the right wing, Ayn Rand reading libertarians here on HN are enthusiastic Trump supporters, and will actively downvote or flag any criticism of the Republican party. They're not trying to keep HN non-political, as much as they claim to, they're just brown shirts actively censuring criticism of their sacred leader and party. Simple as that.

Chris2048 6y ago
> will actively downvote or flag any criticism of the Republican party And a low-effort, context free swipe at the GOP proves this? Removing these posts is keeping HN non-political, describing down-voters as "brownshirts" (i.e. Nazis) is not.
- russellbeattie 6y ago
  If the shirt fits...