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What was the deal? You pay 5,000, the owner gave you back your 5,000 and kept the 15,000 as profit from door dash? The owner made a massive profit and the shelt

What was the deal? You pay 5,000, the owner gave you back your 5,000 and kept the 15,000 as profit from door dash? The owner made a massive profit and the shelter gets free food and it didn’t cost you anything?

JumpCrisscross 6y ago
> The owner made a massive profit and the shelter gets free food and it didn’t cost you anything? We’re in the midst of a pandemic. The restaurant stays afloat, nothing more. The shelter got a donation, and I got promises of comped deliveries and catering. It cost me $5,000; it cost DoorDash over twenty thousand.
- Apocryphon 6y ago
  Time for some cross-platform integration: start GoFundMes to crowdfund arbitrage of SoftBank derivatives in support of local small businesses.
- ornornor 6y ago
  That’s fine, I wasn’t trying to expose you, I just wanted to understand. It looks like everyone is happy, the restaurant gets cash, the shelter gets food, and you get... a lot of pizza for the rest of your life! I don’t think I’ve eaten 5,000$ worth of pizza in my life so far haha
  - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
    > I wasn’t trying to expose you No worries. I don’t feel anyone did anything wrong here. > a lot of pizza Orecchiette and Nebbiolo :).
    - tomcooks 6y ago
      > Orecchiette and Nebbiolo Any judge with a surname ending with a vowel would pardon you, should they get pinged by DD Great that you're donating to the homeless!
  - mister_hn 6y ago
    Assuming $10/pizza...500 pizzas in my life are reasonable
    - swiley 6y ago
      $10 for a pizza actually sounds pretty cheap.
      - winrid 6y ago
        Yeah. Even in Western PA a large will set you back $20.
      - astura 6y ago
        Depends. A small basic pizza is $8-$10 here. Domino's always has a deal where you can get 2 medium pizzas for $6/each. (used to be $5). But if you're buying larger, specialty pizzas without coupons/promotions then you're going to be paying more like $20/pizza. My pizzas are usually small and plain, so I'm closer to the $10 mark.
        rhizome 6y ago
        In the SF Bay Area a 14" pizza from Round Table or better is $20+. Trash pizza is still $5 each or whatever, yes, but where do those savings come from? How do they maintain the price when flour is in such short supply?
      - mister_hn 6y ago
        In Italy $10 / pizza is a medium-high price already. Generally, €10 for a pizza is the average one in EU. Only in UK people is prone to pay an average of 18 pounds for it, which is sick.
  - shp0ngle 6y ago
    DoorDash loses money, but it’s not like they care anyway
- bko 6y ago
  This seems very unethical. The fact that you don't like Softbank or DoorDash or the gig-economy or that you're sending pizza to homeless people is irrelevant. The fact is you're exploiting a bug to personally benefit at the expense of investors. Why wouldn't you apply the same principals of ethical hacking, where you would notify the party of the exploit?
  - jeroenhd 6y ago
    It's nog a bug, it's a feature. Doordash uses investment money to evaporate competitors, take over the market and then raise prices for restaurant owners once they gain control. It's a tried and proven concept. Paying part of the meal is part of that strategy. They know full well that large orders and large amounts of transactions cost them more money and they're betting on nobody actually doing this. They're selling products below the cost of production at this point, something that I would argue should not be allowed in ethical capitalism. Investors know fully well what they're investing in, and of not, they've either not kept their responsibility on reading about the company they're investing in, or the company itself is pulling massive investment fraud. Play shit games, win shit prices. If they don't want to lose money like this, maybe they should have a business strategy that isn't oriented about purposely losing money to bankrupt competitors. They easily could've set a reasonable limit of say $200 dollars to their cheaper transactions but they chose not to. Would I go full ethical when finding exploits for an inherently unethical company? Would I dutifully report flaws to companies selling "adult supervision" apps used by controlling spouses? Would I give "bank phishing on demand" websites a 90 day trial period? I don't think so. Making such software is perfectly legal (in many jurisdictions) but is rarely ever ethical. Ethics would need to come from two sides for me to consider responsible disclosure. I have flooded several phishing databases with fake information, got some of them over their resource limit and shut down as well, and I don't feel the smallest bit of regret.
    - VHRanger 6y ago
      Just a note: it's not a tried and proven concept. Predatory pricing hardly works in economic theory and is working disastrously for a lot of the companies trying it (eg. Ubers financials)
curiousgal 6y ago
15000 minus the actual cost of the food.
pacamara619 6y ago
This reminds me of the scene in Silicon Valley where Richard bankrupts a similar delivery service that's not profitable in a specific use case by ordering a huge amount of Pizzas.

JumpCrisscross 6y ago

> The owner made a massive profit and the shelter gets free food and it didn’t cost you anything? We’re in the midst of a pandemic. The restaurant stays afloat, nothing more. The shelter got a donation, and I got promises of comped deliveries and catering. It cost me $5,000; it cost DoorDash over twenty thousand.

Apocryphon 6y ago
Time for some cross-platform integration: start GoFundMes to crowdfund arbitrage of SoftBank derivatives in support of local small businesses.
ornornor 6y ago
That’s fine, I wasn’t trying to expose you, I just wanted to understand. It looks like everyone is happy, the restaurant gets cash, the shelter gets food, and you get... a lot of pizza for the rest of your life! I don’t think I’ve eaten 5,000$ worth of pizza in my life so far haha
- JumpCrisscross 6y ago
  > I wasn’t trying to expose you No worries. I don’t feel anyone did anything wrong here. > a lot of pizza Orecchiette and Nebbiolo :).
  - tomcooks 6y ago
    > Orecchiette and Nebbiolo Any judge with a surname ending with a vowel would pardon you, should they get pinged by DD Great that you're donating to the homeless!
- mister_hn 6y ago
  Assuming $10/pizza...500 pizzas in my life are reasonable
  - swiley 6y ago
    $10 for a pizza actually sounds pretty cheap.
    - winrid 6y ago
      Yeah. Even in Western PA a large will set you back $20.
    - astura 6y ago
      Depends. A small basic pizza is $8-$10 here. Domino's always has a deal where you can get 2 medium pizzas for $6/each. (used to be $5). But if you're buying larger, specialty pizzas without coupons/promotions then you're going to be paying more like $20/pizza. My pizzas are usually small and plain, so I'm closer to the $10 mark.
      - rhizome 6y ago
        In the SF Bay Area a 14" pizza from Round Table or better is $20+. Trash pizza is still $5 each or whatever, yes, but where do those savings come from? How do they maintain the price when flour is in such short supply?
    - mister_hn 6y ago
      In Italy $10 / pizza is a medium-high price already. Generally, €10 for a pizza is the average one in EU. Only in UK people is prone to pay an average of 18 pounds for it, which is sick.
- shp0ngle 6y ago
  DoorDash loses money, but it’s not like they care anyway
bko 6y ago
This seems very unethical. The fact that you don't like Softbank or DoorDash or the gig-economy or that you're sending pizza to homeless people is irrelevant. The fact is you're exploiting a bug to personally benefit at the expense of investors. Why wouldn't you apply the same principals of ethical hacking, where you would notify the party of the exploit?
- jeroenhd 6y ago
  It's nog a bug, it's a feature. Doordash uses investment money to evaporate competitors, take over the market and then raise prices for restaurant owners once they gain control. It's a tried and proven concept. Paying part of the meal is part of that strategy. They know full well that large orders and large amounts of transactions cost them more money and they're betting on nobody actually doing this. They're selling products below the cost of production at this point, something that I would argue should not be allowed in ethical capitalism. Investors know fully well what they're investing in, and of not, they've either not kept their responsibility on reading about the company they're investing in, or the company itself is pulling massive investment fraud. Play shit games, win shit prices. If they don't want to lose money like this, maybe they should have a business strategy that isn't oriented about purposely losing money to bankrupt competitors. They easily could've set a reasonable limit of say $200 dollars to their cheaper transactions but they chose not to. Would I go full ethical when finding exploits for an inherently unethical company? Would I dutifully report flaws to companies selling "adult supervision" apps used by controlling spouses? Would I give "bank phishing on demand" websites a 90 day trial period? I don't think so. Making such software is perfectly legal (in many jurisdictions) but is rarely ever ethical. Ethics would need to come from two sides for me to consider responsible disclosure. I have flooded several phishing databases with fake information, got some of them over their resource limit and shut down as well, and I don't feel the smallest bit of regret.
  - VHRanger 6y ago
    Just a note: it's not a tried and proven concept. Predatory pricing hardly works in economic theory and is working disastrously for a lot of the companies trying it (eg. Ubers financials)

curiousgal 6y ago

15000 minus the actual cost of the food.

pacamara619 6y ago

This reminds me of the scene in Silicon Valley where Richard bankrupts a similar delivery service that's not profitable in a specific use case by ordering a huge amount of Pizzas.