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How Etsy became America’s unlikeliest breadbasket
- neonate 6y agohttps://archive.md/ZT3fN https://archive.md/ZT3fN
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- pkaye 6y agoI wonder how they make biscuits that hold their quality through shipping?
- onemoresoop 6y agoI wonder too but maybe they only do local deliveries
- vorpalhex 6y agoVacuum sealer I would assume.
- jessaustin 6y agoI think that with biscuits of the type described in TFA (sort of fatty breakfast rolls with minimal gluten development that get jelly spread or gravy poured on them, not another name for cookies), the main thing is just not to let them dry out.
- solidsnack9000 6y agoSeal them in a bag in a bag with a desiccant pack. A wide range of nice cookies and crackers get shipped out of Japan to the USA, individually wrapped and then sealed in a bag with desiccant, and keep perfectly well for months as long as they are in the package. As soon as you unpack them they go stale like everything else.
- ipsum2 6y ago> From 2013 to 2018, 10 states passed so-called “cottage food laws” allowing home bakers to legally sell their goods in a variety of venues, including online, says Emily Broad Leib, faculty director of the Harvard Law School Food Law and Policy Clinic. Many other states amended existing food laws. I wasn't aware of this, I thought you needed to have a licensed kitchen. Neat!
- DoreenMichele 6y agoI can't access either the article or the archive thing linked in this discussion. Can anyone tell me what 10 states this is legal in? Are they listed in the article? Thanks.
- dakna 6y agoUnfortunately they are not listed, also no link to another article listing them. The farm the reporter visited is in West Virginia.
- DoreenMichele 6y agoThank you.
- dakna 6y agoThis article talks about some more states deregulating: https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2019/03/29/west-virginia-just-made-it-easier-to-expand-a-home-baking-business/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2019/03/29/west-vir...
- DoreenMichele 6y agoEvery state except New Jersey now allows home-kitchen cooks to make and sell non-hazardous foods with a low risk of causing foodborne illness such as baked goods, jams, jellies and other items that do not require time and temperature controls for food safety. Maine, North Dakota, Utah and Wyoming have gone further, enacting “food freedom” laws that exempt home producers from food-safety rules that apply to grocery stores, restaurants and other food establishments. The Wyoming legislature adopted the nation’s first Food Freedom Act in 2015, after rejecting it five times in seven years. North Dakota passed a similar food-freedom law The nearly limitless cottage-food laws in North Dakota and Wyoming are far from what’s happening in Washington. The D.C. City Council passed a cottage-food act in 2013, but final rules were not issued until December 2017. New Mexico and West Virginia are considering food-freedom laws, while North Dakota legislators might clarify their intent in a 2017 law. A food-freedom bill in Mississippi died in committee in February https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2019/03/19/as-home-cooked-cottage-food-industry-grows-states-work-to-keep-up https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/sta... Your article also talks about Kentucky. I am not getting an unstated part of my question answered: What are the laws in the Washington state (where I live)?
- dakna 6y agoUnfortunately, most states restrict online sales under the cottage food law due to safety concerns. The article portraits a seller in West Virginia, and it was just in 2019 that a change in their cottage food regulations made it possible to take online orders and ship food. I hope more states will take a look at this and check if this is a successful model they could apply too.
- amelius 6y agoHow is it that companies like Uber and AirBnB can get away with breaking laws and ignoring regulations, while Etsy can't?
- michaelbrave 6y agoCalifornia passes similar cottage food laws but the counties have been mostly fighting it. I had a friend try to do a startup to connect those who want to cook with those who wanted to buy but couldn't get much traction due to local city and county laws. After about a year he gave up on it.
- holidayacct 6y agoI wonder when Etsy will stop firing employees without severance packages and blackballing them in technology for months to years because they ask too many questions.
- solidsnack9000 6y agoWhat are you talking about?
- thawaway1837 6y agoI’ve never heard of any company that has fired someone (which usually implies that it was with cause, as opposed to a lay-off, which does not imply a cause, but rather that the company needed to do cost cutting) giving them a severance package. And I really doubt Etsy has the clout to blackball anyone in the technology industry.
- subpixel 6y agoAbout 5 years ago a Russian waitress at a restaurant in Queens revealed to me a vast non-English network of home cooks in the NYC area selling their wares on Facebook. I’m pretty sure that channel got shut down but am pleased to think they have found others that still work. If and when it becomes legal it’s a really interesting market.
- LyndsySimon 6y agoFacebook has a ton of hidden/private groups selling things. I know of several local to me, and I’m in a fairly rural area. All of them violate Facebook policy, and some are outright illegal. It’s interesting to watch!
- swiley 6y agoI’m always surprised finding illegal stuff on facebook. It’s strange that 1) people think facebook is a good platform to do these things on 2) they don’t get shut down and handed over to the police People keep asking for online surveillance to prevent this but in the places we already have it (eg. facebook) crime often isn’t stopped.
- alacombe 6y ago> 2) they don’t get shut down and handed over to the police Do you mean the same police defeated over and over in the war on drugs should be dispatched to put a 70 years old grand'ma trying to make a few $$ selling an apple pie on Facebook. People are not asking for online surveillance, elected (and non-elected) official are trying to put in place the level of surveillance you're mentioning to secure their power. But I totally understand that the barter economy is acting against their plan.
- TeMPOraL 6y agoRe 2), Facebook has little incentive to care. These groups form on Facebook because that's where people are, and their existence keeps people on Facebook. It's a symbiotic relationship.
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- tomohawk 6y agoIn our county, you are not allowed to make home made baked goods for school functions (classroom birthday party, or whatever). Only choice is to send in baked goods from walmart or whatever. The concern seems to be food allergens. Go figure. Many people make food at home because they cannot eat the stuff produced commercially, or want a healthier alternative. In the US, soybeans are ubiquitous in baked goods (vegetable oil is usually soybean oil), and they're a top 5 food allergen. It is rare to find commercially baked goods that do not have them. When did getting food from strangers with ingredients you can barely pronounce become safer than from your neighbor?
- mtreis86 6y agoAround the same time they covered the wood floor with carpet and linoleum.
- gbear605 6y agoProbably at the same time that people realized that have barely pronounceable ingredients is better than having entirely unknown ingredients that inevitably wind up giving a kid a severe allergic reaction. The pronounceability of a name doesn’t make it safer. Compare dihydrogen monoxide (water) to dihydrogen dioxide (H2O2, a toxic chemical).
- Kihashi 6y ago> vegetable oil is usually soybean oil Every vegetable oil I've seen is largely canola oil.
- milin 6y agoCan we stop posting links that require a paywall?