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You do realize that many property owners would be rendered homeless if we did as you’re suggesting, right? Why should the owners lose everything they have so th
by innocentoldguy 6y ago
You do realize that many property owners would be rendered homeless if we did as you’re suggesting, right? Why should the owners lose everything they have so that their renters don’t (at least in the short term, until the property gets foreclosed on and everyone is homeless)?
- amiga_500 6y agoYes that's right, they destroy the houses when landlords have to sell up. And then they remove the land. It's just a void.
- claudeganon 6y agoIt’s a pretty simple calculus. The damage caused by kicking everyone out of their homes far exceeds the landlords losing out, from both an individual and public health perspective.
- jackcosgrove 6y ago> The political damage caused Renters outnumber landlords. Easy peasy.
- pb7 6y agoWhat part of this is calculus?
- qqssccfftt 6y agoMaybe they should get a job?
- innocentoldguy 6y agoThey have a job. They rent property.
- qqssccfftt 6y agoThey should get a second job then. There's no excuse.
- claudeganon 6y agoThat’s not a job. That’s collecting money from someone else who has a job because you own something.
- AuryGlenz 6y agoMy parents own a small apartment building in a rural area - about 10 units. They’re there several times a week, and when someone moves out it can be days of work. Not to mention paperwork, collecting, occasionally needing to go to court, etc. Don’t get me wrong, it’s decent money for the time they put in to it, but it also took a large investment and is absolutely a job. That deserves a payoff, just like any other.
- jacobr1 6y agoProperty Management (not the ownership part, but the operations part) is very much a job. And how much of a job depends upon the pool of properties, their level of maintenance/upkeep, and the tenants. Managing repairs, proactive maintenance, the finding and of vetting tenants, accounting, landscaping (if applicable) etc ... all add up.
- battery_cowboy 6y agoThey'll only lose the rental properties if they cannot afford them, sorry, but everyone will suffer. I'd rather have a landlord lose a property than the family inside being forced to the street. A landlord who cannot afford their own primary home because of this should not have been been so leveraged.
- innocentoldguy 6y agoBut you’re OK with the landlord being out on the street?
- qqssccfftt 6y agoI think it's a moral essential for landlords to be homeless.
- hellisothers 6y agoWhy all landlords? Business arguably is also ruining the world and people’s lives, should all business owners also give their assets away for free in these trying times?
- claudeganon 6y agoIt’s a pure numbers game. There are less landlords than renters, so even if every landlord became homeless (unlikely), the consequences would still be orders of magnitude less damaging than if everyone was evicted.
- zwkrt 6y agoA landlord who is 'out on the street' because they are no longer getting the rent from their investment property is in no different or worse a position than a worker who becomes homeless because they no longer have a job. A landlord with no back-up plan when rent doesn't come in is someone who made a very large and risky investment but did not consider the possible downside to that investment, and should be punished for their poor investment no differently than someone who takes out a loan to buy a risky stock. I don't think that tenants have an indelible right to live where they are forever, and a land owner has the right to charge what they see fit for rent, but in these types of extenuating circumstances it would be shameful if landlords did not carry some if not the majority of the burden for their risky decisions.
- mydongle 6y agoI think it's in the landowner's interest to not have a bunch of people with nothing to lose on the streets. What does your property value look like after riots, looting, and societal breakdown? How much is your house worth burned down to the ground?
- atypicbiped 6y agoThere’s plenty of steady states between looting and universal abundance in which the landlords have abused their power to trick tenants into accepting to remain in a parasitical relationship.
- innocentoldguy 6y agoHoly fuck! What the hell is wrong with you people? You DO realize that a VAST number of property owners are renting out their basements to people. How you think saying "Fuck you!!!" to the property owner is going to help the renter is entirely beyond me. If the property owner can't make their payments because renters aren't paying them, then both the property owner AND the fucking renters are out on the street. Use your fucking brains for something other than envy and greed!
- Daishiman 6y agoIf they're both out of money the owner still has a roof over his head.
- innocentoldguy 6y agoYou’ve obviously never owned property and failed to make your payments for, what, four months now? I just got off the phone with a property owner who lost their house (as did their renter). He called me from a homeless shelter.
- Daishiman 6y agoSo what you're telling me is that their position is not really less different than from a renter. Ok, why should this group be protected particularly over a substantially more numerous and vulnerable group? The solution can be super simple if the government had the balls to deal with it: forbid evictions for the next few months and encode into law deferred payments for mortgages, property taxes and rent.