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Lubuntu Linux 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)
- cies 7y agoQuestions. (1) What Lubuntu's stance on snap? (2) Is Lubuntu currently less focused on older hardware than it used to be?
- zamadatix 7y agoIt's been more focused on being lightweight than targeting "old hardware" directly for a while now: "The project’s goal is to provide a lightweight yet functional Linux distribution based on a rock-solid Ubuntu base.". Snap has been included by default since 18.10 which was also when they dropped 32 bit x86 builds.
- pojntfx 7y agoPlease, Canonical, just for once use the default and stick with Flatpak like everyone else. We don't need another Mir, Upstart, Unity, ...
- Koshkin 7y agoWhy not even Docker, then?
- cies 7y agoDifferent usecase.
- Koshkin 7y agoBut isn't deploying applications one of its use cases?
- cies 7y agoBut by wieldly different users (devs&ops vs everyone if it's up to Ubuntu), and in different kinds of computers (servers vs desktops).
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y agoHow about subuser, then?
- dzonga 7y agoI think flatpak is coming with 20.04 given that's going to be in Pop OS 20.04 which is based on Ubuntu
- tannhaeuser 7y agoI'm not a fan of containerization of base OS apps at all (planning on using it for for Chrome, Skype, Slack, and other Electron-based cross-platform apps only) but I'm pretty sure Ubuntu is mainstream enough at this point that Canonical pretty much dictates the shape of the Linux desktop for third-party apps while "everyone else" includes "just" RH (who still do/finance a large part of kernel development, of course). But maybe I'm overlooking something, so if somebody with a distro maintainance or third party appdev background could share why settling on snaps causes trouble or undue extra work or is less-than-optimal I'd appreciate it.
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- aritmo 7y agoYou can install snapd on Ubuntu and then install the snap package manager which is a snap. There is nothing that forbids Lubuntu to use snaps.
- cies 7y agoI'm more interested in not using snap. How hard would that be? (as it seems to be installed by default)
- zamadatix 7y ago"Note, due to the extensive changes required for the shift in desktop environments, the Lubuntu team does not support upgrading from 18.04 or below to any greater release. Doing so will result in a broken system. If you are on 18.04 or below and would like to upgrade, please do a fresh install." Is quite a surprising note for an official Ubuntu flavor.
- bgorman 7y agoHonestly the only Linux distros worth trying are Gentoo, Arch, Fedora and RHEL/Oracle/CentOS. With anything else you are just wasting your time with amateur hour attempts to cobble together a Windows/Mac OS competitor without a good understanding of how all the components fit together.
- weakfish 7y agoCare the back that claim up?
- bgorman 7y agoSure, Ubuntu and Debian change the source code/setup of upstream packages, and generally add very little value compared to just using Gentoo/Arch/Red Hat based distros which actually use upstream components with much less touches and provide a more sane way to install your own packages, run docker container etc. In addition, Ubuntu does not do any real work pushing desktop linux forward. Ubuntu focuses its efforts on ill-advised efforts like writing its own compositor (Mir) and Desktop environment (Unity). Currently, most work to advance the Linux desktop is focused on a new project called Wayland (Used by Fedora for last few releases), yet Ubuntu has decided to double down on X11, a legacy project that clearly has no future and has issues like screen tearing that are basically impossible to fix. Another tangible example related to developers: On Fedora/Arch you can run docker containers without requiring root due to Red Hat's work pushing podman forward, however you cannot do this on Ubuntu/debian because they lag behind upstream
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- sudhirkhanger 7y agoHow soon do these new Ubuntu server releases come of AWS?
- m1keil 7y agoalready out https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/ https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/
- sudhirkhanger 7y agoThese don't seem to be available for Lightsail. Do they?
- Niccizero 7y agoPersonally I'd hold up until the .1 release for servers, they iron out number of bugs that could impact stability. 20.04, despite being an LTS release, is quite "bleeding edge".
- pkilgore 7y agoI always like to note that in Ubuntu upgrades to the next LTS are not offered until after it has gone through the first point release[1] (e.g., if you run 18.04LTS, you won't be told about 20.04 until 20.04.1 is out). [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PointReleaseProcess https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PointReleaseProcess
- znpy 7y agoI'm looking forward to Xubuntu 20.04
- rrmm 7y agoSame here. XFCE seems nice and reasonable especially after GNOME went all crazy-pants user hostile.
- mekster 7y agoWhat happened to gnome?
- rrmm 7y agoThey started removing features for the sake of branding and their "desktop vision". They cut down on customization options that a lot of people were used to when they moved from gnome2 to gnome3. To me, it felt like they started believing themselves to be great innovators in an Apple model of "we know what's best for you, this is revolutionary. You'll take it and you'll like it. Witness our works and tremble." [1] I may be slightly hyperbolic there, but I worked on minor bits of the gtk code base and the way some of lead devs were talking I found frankly alienating. To be fair there were also practical reasons to limit customization for greater testing coverage and I think some of the changes were driven by RedHat's move towards being an enterprise vendor. But those changes in addition to the change in tone I was hearing was jarring. In any case several efforts attempted to move forward with the earlier code base or at least with the earlier philosophy. And I found one that was near enough to ok. [1] and eventually stuff like https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/05/open-letter-stop-gtk-theming-distros https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/05/open-letter-stop-gtk-the...
- znpy 7y agoNo hyperbola, you are spot on. Whereas apple stuff generally just works on the desktop, is super polished and generally fast, gnome3 is cumulatively an amass of crap. Which is very bad because gnome2 used to be very functional. They tried to become Apple, but they are not. They literally dumbed down the whole thing.
- narag 7y agoI gave up on Linux desktop when Lubuntu file manager removed its tree view. A few months ago I read somewhere that it was restored. These news sound promising so I've taken a look and... it turns out that lxde is gone. Out of luck.
- makapuf 7y agoIt's gone, but has been replaced by lxqt, perfectly usable (unless you specifically prefer gtk)
- narag 7y agoThe thing I liked was the file manager tree view. PCMan had Windows 95 style tree. That's my favourite file manager arrangement, the one that suits my workflow. Even in Windows 10 it's possible to more or less have the original behaviour after some tweaking. In Linux, tree support comes and go in file managers. For me that's really infuriating. Programmers in charge of desktop environments wake up some day and decide that I shouldn't be working the way I've been working last 25 years and deprecate it. Not cool. Edit: it seems PCMan got a qt version. It seems I'll take a look after all.
- tipoftheiceberg 7y agoSwapped Lubuntu 18.10 on an old dell book w xp and was really impressed by everything. Well, everything except the boot time ( and bootloader ) for that matter.
- chirau 7y agoI have maybe dumb questions... I have been using Linux for for almost 15 years now. Mint, RHEL, CentOS and most recently Ubuntu. For some reason, though, I can't understand all these variations in Ubuntu flavors. For example, other than the Desktop Environment, what else does Lubuntu offer that vanilla Ubuntu doesn't? Can't one just install the desktop environment on Ubuntu? Isn't this stuff modular, take in what you want take out what you don't? So what exactly is Lubuntu's value proposition over Ubuntu?
- kick 7y agoUbuntu's default install is massive. Lubuntu has a significantly smaller default install, both storage-wise and performance-wise. It also has zram configured by default, if I remember right. I've never used it, but unlike most spins of distributions, it seems to have some interesting changes to the base.
- hannob 7y agoI think you have a wrong view of things here. Lubuntu isn't really a "different distribution". The different "flavors" of Ubuntu are all the same distribution, they just differ in their default install and settings. If you remove lxqt from lubuntu, install kde you can morph it into kubuntu.
- chirau 7y agoWhere did i call it a "different distribution"?
- vivab0rg 7y agoAlready installing/upgrading to Ubuntu Budgie 20.04 on my notebooks after a surprisingly nice experience with Ubuntu Budgie 18.04. And I did give Xubuntu, Lubuntu and Unity an sincere chance. For hardcore work sessions nothing beats i3wm productivity tho.
- derrick_jensen 7y agoAgreed on i3. Are there any Ubuntu distributions that have i3 OOTB with reasonable integrations?
- lurker_primo 7y agoNot official Ubuntu, but there is Regolith-linux[0], which is a i3 based system built on Ubuntu. I use it regularly. It is good, but I'm not a power user. [0] https://regolith-linux.org/ https://regolith-linux.org/
- qwerty456127 7y agoIf only LXQt had built-in (not a 3-rd party dock) support for modern Win7/Unity-style taskbar that lets you pin taskbar buttons and use the same to launch and to switch I would certainly give it a try.
- non-entity 7y agoI dont know how LXDE was, but I've been running "new" Lubutbu with LXQt for a bit now and I find the various components that make up the desktop a bit odd. I accidentally deleted my desktop background once while I don't remember exactly which component failed, I remember my desktop wouldnt properly start. I think it was something about pcmanfm-qt (which would no longer start) being so coupled the desktop environment.
- DoingIsLearning 7y agoI used LXDE in a lot of older machines. It is not very glamorous because the selection of themes icons is not that vast but it uses GTK unlike LXQt. I have never experienced any odd behaviour or faults. It certainly is not the most beautiful desktop environment but it is stable and very very performant. (This was using Debian + LXDE)
- Aeolun 7y agoAn I the only one that thinks it’s a bit ridiculous to not have an upgrade path from 18.04 to 20.04?
- Anthony-G 7y agoIt's quite understandable given that they're completely changing the distribution from one with software built from GTK libraries (LXDE) to one based on Qt libraries (LXQt). Such a dramatic change is pretty much a once-off event.
- rcarmo 7y agoI recently tried reinstalling Lubuntu on a netbook with a very small EMMC (4GB if I’m not mistaken) and couldn’t find a way to slim down the install to the bare essentials. (It was running 14.04, and that, I think, had a CLI installer with package selection) Anyone know if 20.04 lets you install without LibreOffice and the like or have some tips on how to get to the old installer?
- bsg75 7y agoTry the "mini.iso" netboot install, then install the desktop you want: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-... This is an old Xubuntu article, but describes the general approach for a minimal install: https://xubuntu.org/news/introducing-xubuntu-core/ https://xubuntu.org/news/introducing-xubuntu-core/
- rcarmo 7y agoThanks, I forgot about the netboot ISO.
- thepra 7y agoI sincerely use it as my mini server, lightest and friendly DE so far