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If iPads are “post-pc devices” why must I sync with iTunes before I can use one?
- marze 16y agoPatients. - Steve
- rbarooah 16y agopeople in hospital can't sync their iPads?
- patrickaljord 16y agoAndroid devices are post-pc.
- rbarooah 16y agoSerious question - if you buy an unlocked iPad from the store, what can't you do with it that you can do with an Android tablet?
- darklajid 16y agoYou asked it in another part of the thread [1] already, see the answer there. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2292474 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2292474
- code_duck 16y agoOnce the average Android device has a monitor output, they'll really be post-PC. And the big question is will the iOS devices have monitor outs? Most of the Android device manufacturers don't have a horse in the laptop/desktop race - Samsung, HTC, Motorola all only stand to gain by replacing traditional desktop OSs. Apple probably still wants to sell you a MacBook. That's why I think Android will beat Apple to the true post-PC era.
- czhiddy 16y ago"And the big question is will the iOS devices have monitor outs?" They've already had 30-pin to VGA output for quite a while now, and now HDMI out with the latest dongle accessory.
- code_duck 16y agoAndroid phones will have monitor outs, though, not just the tablets. How about the iPhone or iPod Touch?
- rbarooah 16y agoThey already do.
- code_duck 16y agoWow, what? I have an iPod Touch and how did I not know this! I'm always so out of touch. Please ignore the possible pun here.
- rbarooah 16y agoIt has a lot of potential, but it's not quite as exciting as it sounds in reality - each app that wants to use the external display has to support it.
- code_duck 16y agoAndroid phones will have monitor outs, though, not just the tablets. How about the iPhone or iPod Touch? They could fit an Apple monitor connector in the side of an iPhone, but I think it will be a long time before we see that.
- czhiddy 16y agohttp://store.apple.com/us/product/MC552ZM/A http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC552ZM/A "Watch slideshows and movies on the big screen by connecting your iPad, iPhone 4, or iPod touch (4th generation) to a TV, monitor, projector, or LCD display that uses a VGA connector." I haven't really looked into it much, so I don't know if apps are limited to mirroring content, or if they can display another screen worth of UI/etc through the cable.
- siglesias 16y agoactually they'll unlock it in the store if you don't own a PC.
- mooism2 16y agoDo they give you updates in store as well?
- shawndumas 16y agoYes
- mooism2 16y agoThat's good to know. Thanks.
- recoiledsnake 16y agoI sure wish Post-PC devices can be used to copy over content, be updated etc. without taking the trouble to physically take them to stores, especially in this day of the Internet and the cloud. Can you imagine if Windows PCs needed to be taken to the Microsoft Store for Windows Update? Patch Tuesday would need to be made a national holiday and just imagine the queues, rush, the traffic and the parking.
- g0atbutt 16y agoThis is true, but I think a "post-pc" device should be able to stand on it's own two legs. Thanks for pointing this out, I meant to include it in my article.
- melling 16y agoYes, ideally they will stand on their own two legs. However, as with most things there is an imperfect transition. Hopefully, great Android tablets will soon arrive and we'll be off to the races. I want a tablet that I can slide next to a keyboard, mouse and monitor and that becomes my desktop, as needed.
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- mooism2 16y agoThis is one reason I don't have an iPhone. None of my laptops can run iTunes. (Yes, I know running Ubuntu makes me an outlier, but still.)
- wriq 16y agoI would guess thats one of the motives behind them seeking a deal to get unlimited music downloads for itunes. Link: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-04/apple-said-to-negotiate-unlimited-downloads-of-music-purchases.html http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-04/apple-said-to-negot...)
- nickpp 16y agoBecause syncing a 32gb personal collection of music, movies and photos wirelessly takes too long? Funny I think it's only people without any iTunes purchase complaining about this. The ones enjoying the media capabilities of the iPad, capabilities completely missing from Android, have no complains.
- blinkingled 16y agoThe initial sync didn't seem to take that long on a 802.11n connection using DoubleTwist/AirSync. (around 20G music/videos). But that's besides the point - the neat thing about wireless sync is that you don't have to wait with the device physically tied up to your PC. In my case I was using it while the sync happened in the background. More over with wireless sync - I buy my MP3s at Amazon on my laptop and they automatically go out to my Android devices without needing any special action on my part.
- smhinsey 16y agoOut of curiosity, how much storage have you been able to get on your Android device?
- mdwrigh2 16y agoYou can get at least 32GB on most of the phones (plus internal storage ranging from 512MB to 4GB). Some of them may support SDXC, meaning you can go beyond 32GB (I know there are 64GB cards for purchase, probably larger ones for insane prices). Link to 32GB card that will work in just about all Android devices: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139391 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139...
- smhinsey 16y agoThanks, I just ordered one. I have a G2 now, but I've had everything from the G1 to the CLIQ to the MyTouch Slide and it's been really confusing figuring out what microSD will work and what won't. I don't know what the technical issues are, but I can't wait until you can match the storage of an iPod. I love doubleTwist, and if I could have it just sync everything automatically it would be so ideal, but my collection is way too big, but it fits on the biggest iPod so I end up still carrying both.
- ugh 16y agoRealistically, people will continue to own multiple computers. Computers have become very cheap, households can usually afford more than one. For tablets to be successful “post-PC devices” it’s not necessary that people stop buying and using PCs. Still, it should be possible to get by without a cable. I don’t want to transfer my 40GB media collection wirelessly just yet but the iPad is useful without my media (and can wirelessly sync contacts, calendars, notes, e-mails), there is no reason why I should be forced to connect to iTunes.
- dman 16y agoYou mean people who are relatively well to do in the grand scheme of things.
- ugh 16y agoNo, I don’t. If you could afford a computer ten years ago you can afford two today.
- dman 16y agoAh that explains it, i grew up around plenty of people who couldnt afford a computer ten years ago :)
- ugh 16y agoIf my memory is not failing me completely I would say that lower middle class to maybe even down to slightly above the poverty level could afford some computer ten years ago. A majority could buy a computer.
- zyb09 16y agoIf all you ever do is consume digital media, yes the iPad could replace your PC. But PCs are also widley used to produce content, which is something the iPad can't do at all. Where does Apple think all the stuff they sell on iTunes, the AppStore, iBooks comes from? It's not being made on the iPad, thats for sure.
- Skroob 16y agoiPads absolutely can produce content. The new GarageBand and iMovie apps are perfect examples of just how much potential the iPad has for creation.
- zyb09 16y agoPotential sure, but the new GarageBand etc. are still just toys, even if Steve claims otherwise. No body is gonna use GarageBand or iMovies to produce something, that gets sold on iTunes.
- jakewalker 16y agoFalse. See, e.g. http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/27/gorillaz-ipad-album-now-available-as-are-the-apps-used-to-make/ http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/27/gorillaz-ipad-album-now-a...
- Skroob 16y agoI think you're wrong about that, but we'll have to wait to find out. So how about Brushes, which was used to make two New Yorker covers?
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- recoiledsnake 16y agoAnd this was made in MS Paint --> http://diamonster.deviantart.com/art/powerdraw-17908194?fullview=1 http://diamonster.deviantart.com/art/powerdraw-17908194?full... Should people ditch photoshop now? Just because there a few examples doesn't make it a suitable tool for most people.
- allertonm 16y agoThe author seems to assume that Apple is either unaware of the contradiction or aware of it with no plan to change. In other words, that the management of Apple is either stupid or blind. Recent history does not suggest that either is the case. It seems more likely to me that Apple is very much aware of the contradiction but has plans to change this, but no intention of telling us about it yet. Gotta wonder what that huge data centre they are building is for, eh?
- g0atbutt 16y agoI don't make either assumption. I've staked quite a bit of my lively hood on building apps for Apple products. I wouldn't do this if I thought they were stupid or blind. I just don't buy the "Post-PC" device story they are telling with the iPad quite yet.
- allertonm 16y agoSo what you are saying is that you don't believe it is true to call it a post-PC device now, but it will be true at some point in the future. And your problem with this is? Just that they are saying it now? Don't understand the concern, honestly.
- zaphar 16y agoThe author mentions the data center and it's likelihood as a solution. His point was that until that DC comes on line and is used as a solution it's disingenuous to call the iPad a post-pc device because it isn't, it's a peripheral. If and when they fix that then you can start calling a post-pc device. Meanwhile an Android pad really is a post-pc device right now no waiting.
- richbradshaw 16y agoIt's called "post-pc" because you use it after using your PC.
- rbarooah 16y agoyou're thinking of après-PC
- recoiledsnake 16y agoI know many people who use it in the bathroom in the morning. What device should it be called? /joke
- HelloBeautiful 16y agoCalculo Bacillus ;=)
- sliverstorm 16y ago"post-pc devices" is marketing pitch. He knows it just as well as you.
- SoftwareMaven 16y agoWe talk a lot about "lean startups" here. I think this is an example of Apple being lean and going where the market has taken them. My guess is that, as they were building the iPad, they had a hunch things could go this way (e.g. "post-pc device"), but weren't sure. Rather than spend billions building out an infrastructure on a hunch, they build the device and have followed the market. The market is saying the iPad is "post-pc", so Apple will (eventually) get there. And we'll likely be charged for the privilege (most likely through MobileMe). Personally, it is a huge complaint I have. I would love to switch my mother to an iPad, but the requirement to continue having a PC doesn't make things easier.
- rbarooah 16y agoIf you get one unlocked in the store, why can't your mother switch?
- SoftwareMaven 16y agoBacking up data and upgrading the OS.
- recoiledsnake 16y ago>The market is saying the iPad is "post-pc" It is? How?
- PostOnce 16y agoDo you not do all your coding, photo editing, FPS fragging, word processing, and spreadsheets on an iPad yet? Don't you have one sitting in your basement acting as a home media and web server? I'm not even going to get into how much more upgradable they are than PCs. How could you ever possibly need more than the few hundred megs of ram that an iPad has? Dell might as well announce liquidation right now. ($75 on craigslist gets you a computer 3x as powerful with 3x as much ram and 10x+ as much disk space as an iPad, which only costs $500)
- recoiledsnake 16y ago
- WalterBright 16y agoWhat annoys me is I cannot copy files from my PC to the iPod.
- gvb 16y agoDropbox works well.
- WalterBright 16y agoDo I have to upload the file to dropbox.com in order to see it on my ipod?
- gvb 16y agoYes. You install dropbox software on all the computers you want to share the files on and dropbox synchronizes the dropbox folders on all the computers. When you copy a file to the dropbox folder on one computer, dropbox copies the file to the dropbox server (in the background) and then down to all the other computers you installed dropbox on. Dropbox says they encrypt the files, but they hold the key so the encryption doesn't guarantee privacy. You can encrypt the file before putting it in the dropbox folder which will guarantee privacy (to the extent that your encryption is strong), but you have to decrypt it on the other computers. Keepass is an example of an encrypted file that should be safe when copied via dropbox.
- WalterBright 16y agoThat doesn't work for me, as I wish to transfer files to my ipod that are hundreds of megabytes. I can copy files off of the ipod via the USB, but not on.
- tomelders 16y agoA rose by any other name would smell as sweet. But all in all, it's a tiresome, dull, petty point to raise.
- hristov 16y agoThis really really annoys me about the ipad. Furthermore, for some extra annoyance, Itunes does not run on linux, so I cannot run it. And even after I secured a windows computer to run itunes, I discovered that itunes is a really slow, extremely badly designed, confusing and annoying piece of software. It took me forever to upgrade my ipad to the new os.
- code_duck 16y agoI hear a lot of complaints about iTunes, but it works pretty well for me - on a Mac. Are you using the Windows version?
- w1ntermute 16y ago> I hear a lot of complaints about iTunes, but it works pretty well for me - on a Mac. Are you using the Windows version? even after I secured a windows computer to run itunes
- DaveMebs 16y agoApple's version of iTunes on Windows is so much worse than the Mac version, that I can only assume it is intentional. For example, only one user may run iTunes at one time on a PC while multiple users can run it on a Mac. It also shits all over your registry. As a long time Mac iTunes user, I've been pretty frustrated with the Windows version, which I started using 6 months ago. The counter point, however, would be my experience with iTunes and the iPad. Before I had a PC I borrowed an iPad which had just been reset. When I hooked it up to my Mac to connect it with iTunes, I discovered that it was incompatible with OS X 10.4. My mind was blown; how could the iPad not work with their computer when I only bought it 4 and a half years ago?! It works with XP! So I don't know, maybe iTunes sucks everywhere, just in different ways.
- anonymoushn 16y agoI don't mind if iTunes sucks on Windows, because Windows has foobar2000. What really bothers me is that there are no worthwhile alternatives to iTunes for OSX.
- code_duck 16y agoDo iPads actually let you manage your music without using iTunes on a desktop? I know my iPod doesn't. You can add music to it directly by purchasing in the iTunes store, but not delete music. I can't see any clear reason why, but this restriction must do something for Apple.
- rbarooah 16y agoNo - iPad's don't let you manage your music collection. I assume the no-delete is to reduce the risk of people accidentally deleting things they've just paid for, given that that's the only way to get things on to the device. Interestingly, you can delete videos.
- code_duck 16y agoYou can re-download things you've paid for, can't you? Or hmm.. they limit the times? Given that I have 800 GB of space I have of which 10% is in use, I've never deleted any purchased music, so I don't know from personal experience.
- rbarooah 16y agoNo - you can only redownload apps. This is because of the contracts with the content providers. Apple is apparently trying to renegotiate this at least for music, so that they can put your library in the cloud.
- mikecane 16y agoThe only devices that have acted as post-PC out of the box have been running webOS. That's not to say they've been a sterling example, but at least they thought that way from the beginning.
- brackin 16y agoYou can install pretty much all the files you'd need on the device so you're right. Music, Books, Apps or TV Shows.
- jsz0 16y agoWe're in a transitional period. The vast majority of people who have iPads do have a PC of some kind also. For now it's the most practical way of doing backups, updates, and syncing large amounts of content. I do think Apple will move in the direction of not requiring a PC for these things but it's non-trival. How do you sync 16-64GB of data over 3G? Do you push 300MB+ updates to someone with a 150MB/month data cap? 2GB? How, and where, do you sync purchased content? How do you backup the device? This is a very important feature iTunes provides that most people won't even notice until they have some need to restore a device. The newest iOS update has modified the way OS updates work by not erasing/re-syncing the device. I suspect this is one of the first steps towards moving to a more OTA existence for the iPad. They still need to trim down these updates so they're not killing people's caps. Everything on the content side is going to require a lot more work. If you look at Android for example that does just about everything OTA you realize that a) Google doesn't really sell content so they don't care how or if you get anything on your device. Figure it out yourself. b) Android doesn't backup automatically. Some of your data is synced to Google Services but if you flush your Android phone down the toilet by mistake you're going to lose all your application data and content you synced, or created, on the device. Again -- figure it out yourself if you want a good backup c) Google doesn't update all their devices at the same time. There will never be 100 million+ Android devices trying to download android3.0.tar.gz at the same time. It's a bigger challenge for Apple to do OTA updates given their strategy to update all compatible iOS devices at the same time. I'm not trying to bash Google, their system is fine, but people make it sound like this super trivial thing to divorce post-PC devices from the PC. It's not. Google has been able to do this through minimalism. They don't take any responsibility for updates/backups/syncing so it's a bit easier for them to pull this off right now. If you use Google Exchange with an iOS device you get most of the same benefits in-fact. Apple could easily divorce the activation-via-PC step but it would set the expectation that you don't need to connect it to a PC ever for normal operation/update/syncing. When they do remove the activation-via-PC step you can be sure everything else won't require a PC connection. It will be all or nothing. That's how Apple tends to operate.
- chrisbolt 16y agoWhat iOS updates have required erasing/resyncing? I can't remember ever having to do that.
- joe_the_user 16y agoThe iPad - A post-freedom device
- rbarooah 16y agoPost-PC is just a statement about where the growth is. It doesn't mean PCs are suddenly useless or going away.
- Bud 16y agoPrecisely. It's not like 30-inch monitors and ergonomic keyboards are going to magically become portable tomorrow. Desktop/laptop computers are sticking around for a while.
- ericmsimons 16y agoWell, I know it's definitely possible to have it be completely independent. Palm did a fantastic job of having the Pre be completely separate. I have never connected it to my computer and everything is done OTA...updates, app downloads, etc. Apple is just dealing with the original way that iOS was developed. It will take a bit for them to swap everything to OTA :(
- codex 16y agoI've always assumed that Apple required wired sync because otherwise syncing would drain the battery unacceptably. USB syncing doesn't use a radio transmitter, but more importantly, USB supplies some power to offset the drain from sync. When battery life improves I expect this requirement to go away.
- joelackner 16y agothis is one area that android as an os is better at. it's ready to go out of the box, syncs data from your google account and upgrades the os over the wire.
- Bud 16y agoUnless your Google account just does not happen to include your 11gig photo library, 10gig music library, etc. Which it likely doesn't. This is about the fourth post on HN I've seen whining (yes, I think it's whining) about this issue. Apple is going all-cloud soon enough, if the rumors are true. In the meantime, if I'm going to sync 20-25gig of stuff to a new device, I really don't mind plugging it in. I also don't mind plugging it in occasionally for an OS upgrade. It's just not a big deal, at all. The device is wire-dependent on a daily basis, anyway, folks: it needs a fresh new supply of electrons to keep running. Get over it.
- adsr 16y agoBig deal. It's an embedded device just like a gaming console, that some people now use to do things that previously was only possible in the PC domain.
- davidedicillo 16y agoI'm not sure, but I think in this way Apple also bypass the carries' control over the upgrades (see Android and WP7).
- raganwald 16y agoIn "Marketing Warfare," Al Reis and Jack Trout give a rule of thumb: Never build your strategy around an opponent's weakness. Build it around their strength. Why? because weaknesses can be fixed. Strengths cannot be fixed without undermining an opponent's own strategy. From this, I get that there are two kinds of problems with a product or service: A weakness, which is something bad that is orthogonal to a product's value proposition, and a drawback, which is an integral part of the value proposition. An example of an Apple drawback would have been its one button mouse for many years: During the period when many Mac buyers were first-time computer users, the single button was part of the simplicity of the interface, but it also was annoying to those who had more experience and wanted more power at their fingertips. I remember this when thinking about tethering my iPad. This is a weakness, not a drawback. It can certainly be fixed without undermining the iPad's value proposition. If somebody starts selling a lot of tablets that sync to the cloud, Apple can release a firmware or iOS update that syncs to the cloud and boom, no more weakness. It's annoying but it isn't deeply tied to the iPad's value proposition. So I predict that if and when Apple thinks it is more of a hinderance than a help, it will be changed, and the change will be fairly painless.
- 6ren 16y agoThis seems to be another way of describing disruption (and I like it): Companies serve their customers. They improve their product along a dimension that their customers want. Equivalent to your "weakness" - as soon as their customers care about this, they work hard to fix it. If you create an alternative product for those very same customers (and for the very same use) that's not as good in that dimension, they won't buy it. If it's better on that dimension (a sustaining innovation), the incumbents will work hard to beat it - and historically, they usually will, as they have all kinds of advantages over you. But if you build for different customers, who currently have nothing, they will be delighted, and the incumbent won't care because you don't threaten their customers. Now, usually such a product will have other benefits that the competitor's product lacks - at the very least, a cheaper price, but maybe also convenience, flexibility, customizability, simplicity etc. This benefit is usually a result of a tradeoff against the above dimension - a "drawback". Over time, you naturally will improve your product, and (perhaps) it will approach being good enough to threaten that competitor. But even as they see you approach, they really can't fight you, because it would require they let down their customers. And, what's even worse, at this new way of doing things, you are now the incumbent, with all the experience with engineering, customer acquisition and business model etc, and they are the entrant. But I think you add a new idea to disruption, that the "drawback" is incompatible with the value proposition, as opposed to being orthogonal. Different business models are often like that; also many engineering tradeoffs. It's exacerbated by when you improve at something, you often specialize in it; and specialization in one thing implies de-specialization in something else. Note that such incompatibilities are not restricted to engineering issues: if Apple somehow became dependent on tethering, or on iPad users requiring an Apple desktop, as part of their business model, it would then become a "drawback", that you could attack on.
- noonespecial 16y agoMy iPad won't even charge right without my macBook. My brother works for Apple and gave me the party line about how "some motherboards are not capable of supplying enough power to their usb ports." I started Parallels on my macBook, plugged in the iPad and let it connect to the virtual XP that was running: "Not Charging". Shut down Parallels without even unplugging the iPad, well, boy howdy, its charging now. No OSX/iTunes? Purposely broken.
- seabee 16y agoWindows (may even be the USB specification itself) will not deliver more than X mA to a device unless a driver is installed to request > X mA OS X obviously is aware of iDevices so it charges without you knowing any wiser. Windows needs the driver.
- noonespecial 16y agoAs this unfolded (the comments) I realized I very well might be talking out of my ass, and I hate when people do that to me so I grabbed my gear to divine the electronic truth. Here are some facts I learned: My MacBook pro gladly puts out more than 1100ma @5v no matter whats connected and no matter what "handshaking" occurred (or didn't). Its a little scary really. My iPad does charge albeit very slowly even when it says "not charging". When it does so, it consumes about 750ma (thus, breaking the spec anyway in a strict sense). It stops charging if you turn it on and just runs from usb power. So its kind of telling the truth, when it says "not charging" on the screen, it actually isn't. The ipad increases charge to around 950ma when it gets the OK from an Apple Approved device. (my MacBook, only when in OSX mode) When connected to my palm pre's "dumb charger" the ipad does the "not charging" thing @750, even though the pre's charger can deliver 1500ma. The official Apple wall charger seems to deliver about 5.5v and nearly 1000ma to the pad. It seems the choice is actually left to the iPad itself whether to sip or slurp and it does this by detecting what its connected to. (or rather, what it isn't connected to) In conclusion, this operational profile is frustrating. "Purposely broken" may have been too strong but they didn't go through any extra effort to make my user experience stellar if I elected not to go the full monty on apple gear. But what does it really mean to me? I can't charge my 'pad on the damn plane on that freakishly long SF to Sydney and watch all the back episodes of "Mad Men", using that nifty USB jack on Qantas' new A380. Bummer.
- molecule 16y agoAs an iPad owner who just ordered a kindle, pre-config'd w/ my amazon account, I wish Apple would fix the must-sync-w/-iTunes problem 1. Allow selection of Mac or Win file-system type during iDevice ordering, default to FAT32 otherwise (3rd party sales, etc.) 2. Configure iDevice w/ ordering account before shipping, or as on-site set-up @ brick & mortar 3. Customers purchase content without syncing their iDevice on PC 4. Profit $$$
- thailandstartup 16y agoApple is using the popularity of its mobile devices to turn its consumer electronic customers into media distribution customers. It makes good sense for Apple - an iPad owner is a customer for maybe 3 years, but get the same user locked into iTunes, and that's a multi-decade revenue stream. Media distribution is the real game for Apple.
- suprgeek 16y agoThe primary reason I have not purchased the iPad is iTunes (the software). It is an abomination on Windows as others have noted and most puzzling is so badly designed that most common consumers make several basic mistakes wile trying to figure it out. For a company that has "intuitive in their DNA", I find it very strange that a piece of Garbage like iTunes is the crucial bridge between PC and the "Post-PC" products. Something is very wrong somewhere.
- bergie 16y agoI bought my iPad from San Francisco last spring, and asked the Apple Store staff to activate it. That was the last time it has been connected to a computer. Calendar and contacts sync nicely from Google, as does email. And Kindle does its own syncing. What else would I need?
- rimantas 16y agoIt's half way there. Or both ways sans saving to device. Home Sharing on iOS 4.3 allows to get your music from your computer and play it. AirPlay allows you to upstream media from your device. I am pretty sure OTA sync is implemented and working somewhere on Infinite Loop.
- mikecarlucci 16y agoI think that Steve Jobs himself has already set the groundwork for breaking the ties with (a local computer copy of) iTunes down the road. Jobs talked about Cars and Trucks. The desktop, and many laptop computers, are trucks. They can do the heavy lifting, converting, number crunching, graphics processing etc. Tablets and smartphones are cars. Calling them "automatic transmission" cars is probably even better. The learning curve is low, the uses are "limited" compared to the trucks but most people don't need a truck for their everyday lives. The MacBook Air is on the threshold. It's a device that looks like a truck and has the inners of a "sportscar" with a truck-style processor, but the interface of the truck. It's manual transmission but not useful for all truck jobs. If Apple could ensure that everyone had a data plan maybe they would cut out iTunes. Of course, they still make a nice profit on all those Macs...
- snoozer 16y agoThe question strikes me as a link-baiting deliberate obtuseness. If we're in a post-industrial age, why do we still have factories? If my Mac is a "personal" computer, why can other people have accounts on it? "Post" means "after". It usually connotes some sense of replacement, but does not necessarily imply wholesale obsoleting of the thing that came before it. I think "post-PC" is a calculated marketing term, but to criticize it based on the most absurd possible interpretation is, well, absurd.
- lwhi 16y agoIf you don't need to sync with iTunes - you don't need another Apple computer.
- acqq 16y agoWhat I don't understand: Apple makes it very hard to copy the files to the iPad, then expects me to be happy about the possibility to edit movies, which must be copied to the iPad in order to be edited.