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I'm sorry but I (as a minority myself) genuinely feel a little bit insulted by your assumption that minorities score worst in performance test. There's no basis

I'm sorry but I (as a minority myself) genuinely feel a little bit insulted by your assumption that minorities score worst in performance test. There's no basis for that belief, a part from your personal biases and they are shockingly regressive even if well intentioned. Are you yourself a minority?

corneliusphi2 7y ago
I think they didn't mean tests but reviews, as in subconscious racism and sexism on the part of the reviewer
dougmwne 7y ago
I think they meant manager and peer evaluation, not standardized aptitude testing. Though on that note, I know someone who creates those standardized employment apptitude tests and checking the test for minority group biases is part of their validation, I believe so the company has something to point to if they need to defend the test later. It's apparently easy to start measuing things other than apptitude and veer into cultural or economic influences.
bsanr2 7y ago
I included the parenthetical to make it clear that what you're asserting was not my intended meaning. I am a gay black man.
- mardifoufs 7y ago
  Okay thanks for the clarification, but still if anything I find the tech sector to be one of the industry with the least amount of racial prejudice even in promotions. I totally understand that personal experiences can be different and are still valid, but I think the data tells us that there isn't any widespread systemic racism in tech. The proportion of people of color in C level exec/higher management levels is huge and the efforts made to increase diversity have been intense. I just don't see how that could happen if lower performance reviews were generally biased against us.
  - bsanr2 7y ago
    That is inaccurate to the point of straining good faith.
    - wing-_-nuts 7y ago
      His point is accurate if you include asians as a minority group. I suspect you're talking specifically about black people.
      - dragonwriter 7y ago
        > His point is accurate if you include asians as a minority group. No, it's not. Even if they were favored, one racial minority group being favored and others being disfavored doesn't balance out to “no racism”, it's even more racism than the latter being disfavored alone. And even if there is no evidence of racism in either direction affecting Asians, that doesn't negate racism affecting other groups. At best it might be accurate of you only look at Asians.
        mardifoufs 7y ago
        What about the much higher numbers of indians (especially in C level executive positions) in tech? Or Arabs? Transgenders? Neurodivergents? Iranians? Muslims? What's the line here? At what point would tech not be racist? I really don't see your point here. There is a lot of evidence pointing to a really diverse, generally progressive industry with, if anything, a higher over representation (compared to the population) of multiple minority groups, different gender identities and a much more inclusivity conscious mindset than probably any other industry. We have no data that really points to the opposite conclusion. Again, at what point would you not say that those are all exceptions?
        camgunz 7y ago
        > At what point would tech not be racist? When it's demographically representative.

corneliusphi2 7y ago

I think they didn't mean tests but reviews, as in subconscious racism and sexism on the part of the reviewer

dougmwne 7y ago

I think they meant manager and peer evaluation, not standardized aptitude testing. Though on that note, I know someone who creates those standardized employment apptitude tests and checking the test for minority group biases is part of their validation, I believe so the company has something to point to if they need to defend the test later. It's apparently easy to start measuing things other than apptitude and veer into cultural or economic influences.

bsanr2 7y ago

I included the parenthetical to make it clear that what you're asserting was not my intended meaning. I am a gay black man.

mardifoufs 7y ago
Okay thanks for the clarification, but still if anything I find the tech sector to be one of the industry with the least amount of racial prejudice even in promotions. I totally understand that personal experiences can be different and are still valid, but I think the data tells us that there isn't any widespread systemic racism in tech. The proportion of people of color in C level exec/higher management levels is huge and the efforts made to increase diversity have been intense. I just don't see how that could happen if lower performance reviews were generally biased against us.
- bsanr2 7y ago
  That is inaccurate to the point of straining good faith.
  - wing-_-nuts 7y ago
    His point is accurate if you include asians as a minority group. I suspect you're talking specifically about black people.
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      > His point is accurate if you include asians as a minority group. No, it's not. Even if they were favored, one racial minority group being favored and others being disfavored doesn't balance out to “no racism”, it's even more racism than the latter being disfavored alone. And even if there is no evidence of racism in either direction affecting Asians, that doesn't negate racism affecting other groups. At best it might be accurate of you only look at Asians.
      - mardifoufs 7y ago
        What about the much higher numbers of indians (especially in C level executive positions) in tech? Or Arabs? Transgenders? Neurodivergents? Iranians? Muslims? What's the line here? At what point would tech not be racist? I really don't see your point here. There is a lot of evidence pointing to a really diverse, generally progressive industry with, if anything, a higher over representation (compared to the population) of multiple minority groups, different gender identities and a much more inclusivity conscious mindset than probably any other industry. We have no data that really points to the opposite conclusion. Again, at what point would you not say that those are all exceptions?
        camgunz 7y ago
        > At what point would tech not be racist? When it's demographically representative.