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Disclaimer: I don't agree with the opinions presented on Sixth Tone or any other publication for that matter. We've now progressed to the point where even obje

by knolax 7y ago

Disclaimer: I don't agree with the opinions presented on Sixth Tone or any other publication for that matter. We've now progressed to the point where even objectively true information that isn't prefaced with "I HATE THE CCP" is considered propaganda. Imagine if somebody told you that NPR was Democrat backed liberal propaganda not because it provided false information, but because it wasn't as critical of progressive social policies as Fox News would be. That's not propaganda, that's disagreement. If you literally can not comprehend that somebody might legitimately disagree with you, and will dismiss objectively true information on those grounds, then maybe you should apply the same critical judgement you've displayed here to the media you do trust.

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bhanhfo 7y ago
"where even objectively true information"... do you have an example of this? What kind of recent news do you have in mind? So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake. But I am happy to stand corrected. What numbers proofed to be correct in hindsight?
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- knolax 7y ago
  > So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake. I keep seeing people confidently claim that the numbers out of China are "fake" but I've yet to see a credible source. Could you please provide some?
- OwlsParlay 7y ago
  > So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake Can you provide a source on that? The only "proof" I have seen people confident of is speculation based on the urns delivered to funeral homes - which IMO can be attributed to non-Covid-19 related deaths continuing during the lockdown.
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  > So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake. Citation needed. Which numbers have been proved to be incorrect? So far, all I've seen is everyone saying the equivalent of "it's China so they must be lying".
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  - bhanhfo 7y ago
    You know very well that it is impossible to get accurate numbers at this point. Even the graveyards in Wuhan are currently locked and guarded. So what kind of source do you expect me to link to?
    - knolax 7y ago
      So how do you know that the graveyards are locked? Care to share?
throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
> We've now progressed to the point where even objectively true information that isn't prefaced with "I HATE THE CCP" is considered propaganda No, you just made that up.
- knolax 7y ago
  That's what GP's position is. He agrees that the content of the article is correct (or can not prove otherwise), but considers it propaganda simply because it is not as critical of the Chinese government as he would prefer. Notice how no comments here have been able to point out any objective falsehoods with the article's content when asked to do so.
  - throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
    My experience of arguing with pro CCP people is that they will often deny, confuse the issue, avoid the question, or try to lead you offtrack. When backed into a corner they'll dump some vague denial then refuse to answer. Why should I waste time on those who won't debate in good faith?
    - knolax 7y ago
      I should be asking you that question. Your own conduct so far would qualify as "confusing the issue" and your screed against these "pro CCP" is decidedly "off-track".
      - throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
        > Your own conduct so far would qualify as "confusing the issue" Nope, it was very precisely stated about you making stuff up. Nothing confusing there. > and your screed against these "pro CPP" is decidedly "off-track" In what way? Contrariwise, it was entirely on-track.
        knolax 7y ago
        My comment was made in reply to GP's and was a description and criticism of what he said. You seemed to have either genuinely or deliberately missed that point. When I clarified this you did not address the content of any of my arguments and instead went on a rant about how "pro CCP" people argue, which is off track because neither the article or I are "pro CCP".
krageon 7y ago
I find it incredibly ironic that from the current voting patterns we can clearly see that you have a point (yes, it's bad etiquette to refer to voting, but in this case it's topical), even with people claiming that you literally made this up.

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bhanhfo 7y ago

"where even objectively true information"... do you have an example of this? What kind of recent news do you have in mind? So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake. But I am happy to stand corrected. What numbers proofed to be correct in hindsight?

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knolax 7y ago
> So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake. I keep seeing people confidently claim that the numbers out of China are "fake" but I've yet to see a credible source. Could you please provide some?
OwlsParlay 7y ago
> So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake Can you provide a source on that? The only "proof" I have seen people confident of is speculation based on the urns delivered to funeral homes - which IMO can be attributed to non-Covid-19 related deaths continuing during the lockdown.
TeMPOraL 7y ago
> So far, all the Covid19 stats out of China proofed to be fake. Citation needed. Which numbers have been proved to be incorrect? So far, all I've seen is everyone saying the equivalent of "it's China so they must be lying".
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- bhanhfo 7y ago
  You know very well that it is impossible to get accurate numbers at this point. Even the graveyards in Wuhan are currently locked and guarded. So what kind of source do you expect me to link to?
  - knolax 7y ago
    So how do you know that the graveyards are locked? Care to share?

throwaway_pdp09 7y ago

> We've now progressed to the point where even objectively true information that isn't prefaced with "I HATE THE CCP" is considered propaganda No, you just made that up.

knolax 7y ago
That's what GP's position is. He agrees that the content of the article is correct (or can not prove otherwise), but considers it propaganda simply because it is not as critical of the Chinese government as he would prefer. Notice how no comments here have been able to point out any objective falsehoods with the article's content when asked to do so.
- throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
  My experience of arguing with pro CCP people is that they will often deny, confuse the issue, avoid the question, or try to lead you offtrack. When backed into a corner they'll dump some vague denial then refuse to answer. Why should I waste time on those who won't debate in good faith?
  - knolax 7y ago
    I should be asking you that question. Your own conduct so far would qualify as "confusing the issue" and your screed against these "pro CCP" is decidedly "off-track".
    - throwaway_pdp09 7y ago
      > Your own conduct so far would qualify as "confusing the issue" Nope, it was very precisely stated about you making stuff up. Nothing confusing there. > and your screed against these "pro CPP" is decidedly "off-track" In what way? Contrariwise, it was entirely on-track.
      - knolax 7y ago
        My comment was made in reply to GP's and was a description and criticism of what he said. You seemed to have either genuinely or deliberately missed that point. When I clarified this you did not address the content of any of my arguments and instead went on a rant about how "pro CCP" people argue, which is off track because neither the article or I are "pro CCP".

krageon 7y ago

I find it incredibly ironic that from the current voting patterns we can clearly see that you have a point (yes, it's bad etiquette to refer to voting, but in this case it's topical), even with people claiming that you literally made this up.