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I would love to see what's wrong with this particular article that's not true. From what I am reading, most of the piece was based on the the doctor's experienc

I would love to see what's wrong with this particular article that's not true. From what I am reading, most of the piece was based on the the doctor's experience.

baybal2 6y ago
> I would love to see what's wrong with this particular article that's not true. May well be nothing. The gotcha here is not what is being said, but why it is there in the first place.
- yorwba 6y ago
  Also what is not being said. I do think Sixth Tone's writers are trying to do write informative articles instead of bland propaganda, but some topics are conspicuously absent. E.g. if you search for articles about Uyghurs: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=uyghur+site%3Asixthtone.com https://duckduckgo.com/?q=uyghur+site%3Asixthtone.com There's not much wrong with those articles, except for what's missing. Compare with the South China Morning Post, which is also sometimes accused of being propaganda, but it does cover critical topics: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=uyghur+site%3Ascmp.com https://duckduckgo.com/?q=uyghur+site%3Ascmp.com
  - baybal2 6y ago
    FYI, Jun Mai lives and works out of Beijing, and seems to be doing that with ease. It is near impossible for HK journalists to get journalist visas for mainland China. Second, he does political reporting, in fact, he specialises on it. A foreign person is simply not doing political reporting in a country like China. Absolutely inconceivable, beyond some fully choreographed potemkin village tours. Third, what he puts in his writing, and very overt innuendos he makes from time to time feels very much like somebody doing a "write about this, and that" job. The logical, and thought flow simply doesn't feel like a news report. From the very beginning of his articles, he already has an argument given almost like a statement of a fact, and then he steers the reader towards that with random supporting arguments. In other words, he knows, from the start, reliable facts about current events he writes about. Fourth, where does his info comes from? A lot of things he wrote before could've only come from a first party source. How he gets access to state events to which even internal party press is not allowed? It is 100% clear to me that he is a part of a leaking operation, and very clumsily ran at that.
- ezVoodoo 6y ago
  Why it is there? It sounds to me that you think the Chinese people do not have the right to write a blog and post it on the Internet. Then why are you posting here? Is there any particular reason that makes you NOBLE enough to write down your words and show them to people?
  - baybal2 6y ago
    你好同志，你在哪里？ Let's have a fruitful conversation
  - yorwba 6y ago
    > It sounds to me that you think the Chinese people do not have the right to write a blog and post it on the Internet. baybal2 can be quite trollish, but he gets accused of pro-China bias much more frequently. This is actually the first time where I've seen the opposite accusation. One time, dang (who moderates the discussion here, in case you're not aware) even commented specifically to defend baybal2 and clarify that he's not a "pro-Chinese agent": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 Impressions based on single comment threads can be very misleading about the character of individual participants here.
peteretep 6y ago
Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. I'm sure literally every word of this moving piece about a brave Chinese doctor overcoming adversity to help heal her countrymen is true. I suspect an article in Western-style media might have been a little less quick to let the government off the hook though: > The main problem wasn’t poor preparation, but the sudden influx of patients that would have overwhelmed a stockpile even 10 times the size available That sentence is probably true, but it also doesn't mention the ham-fisted approach by authorities at the beginning which exacerbated the problem.
- killjoywashere 6y ago
  > but about what's amplified and not amplified Makes Chinese ownership in reddit even more concerning, no?
  - baq 6y ago
    Yes. Frankly I’m surprised the CCP influence on Reddit is not very visible. Tik Tok scares me quite a bit more though.
    - Markoff 6y ago
      not visible, been recently to r/worldnews ? everything criticisng China downvoted into oblivion if not straight deleted/banned
      - peteretep 6y ago
        Occam's razor says this is bots rather than anything being done via "official" Reddit channels.
        akiselev 6y ago
        That's a defining feature of "plausible deniability."
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I would love to see what's wrong with this particular article that's not true. From what I am reading, most of the piece was based on the the doctor's experience.

baybal2 6y ago

> I would love to see what's wrong with this particular article that's not true. May well be nothing. The gotcha here is not what is being said, but why it is there in the first place.

yorwba 6y ago
Also what is not being said. I do think Sixth Tone's writers are trying to do write informative articles instead of bland propaganda, but some topics are conspicuously absent. E.g. if you search for articles about Uyghurs: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=uyghur+site%3Asixthtone.com https://duckduckgo.com/?q=uyghur+site%3Asixthtone.com There's not much wrong with those articles, except for what's missing. Compare with the South China Morning Post, which is also sometimes accused of being propaganda, but it does cover critical topics: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=uyghur+site%3Ascmp.com https://duckduckgo.com/?q=uyghur+site%3Ascmp.com
- baybal2 6y ago
  FYI, Jun Mai lives and works out of Beijing, and seems to be doing that with ease. It is near impossible for HK journalists to get journalist visas for mainland China. Second, he does political reporting, in fact, he specialises on it. A foreign person is simply not doing political reporting in a country like China. Absolutely inconceivable, beyond some fully choreographed potemkin village tours. Third, what he puts in his writing, and very overt innuendos he makes from time to time feels very much like somebody doing a "write about this, and that" job. The logical, and thought flow simply doesn't feel like a news report. From the very beginning of his articles, he already has an argument given almost like a statement of a fact, and then he steers the reader towards that with random supporting arguments. In other words, he knows, from the start, reliable facts about current events he writes about. Fourth, where does his info comes from? A lot of things he wrote before could've only come from a first party source. How he gets access to state events to which even internal party press is not allowed? It is 100% clear to me that he is a part of a leaking operation, and very clumsily ran at that.
ezVoodoo 6y ago
Why it is there? It sounds to me that you think the Chinese people do not have the right to write a blog and post it on the Internet. Then why are you posting here? Is there any particular reason that makes you NOBLE enough to write down your words and show them to people?
- baybal2 6y ago
  你好同志，你在哪里？ Let's have a fruitful conversation
- yorwba 6y ago
  > It sounds to me that you think the Chinese people do not have the right to write a blog and post it on the Internet. baybal2 can be quite trollish, but he gets accused of pro-China bias much more frequently. This is actually the first time where I've seen the opposite accusation. One time, dang (who moderates the discussion here, in case you're not aware) even commented specifically to defend baybal2 and clarify that he's not a "pro-Chinese agent": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898 Impressions based on single comment threads can be very misleading about the character of individual participants here.

peteretep 6y ago

Propaganda is not about what's true and not true, but about what's amplified and not amplified. I'm sure literally every word of this moving piece about a brave Chinese doctor overcoming adversity to help heal her countrymen is true. I suspect an article in Western-style media might have been a little less quick to let the government off the hook though: > The main problem wasn’t poor preparation, but the sudden influx of patients that would have overwhelmed a stockpile even 10 times the size available That sentence is probably true, but it also doesn't mention the ham-fisted approach by authorities at the beginning which exacerbated the problem.

killjoywashere 6y ago
> but about what's amplified and not amplified Makes Chinese ownership in reddit even more concerning, no?
- baq 6y ago
  Yes. Frankly I’m surprised the CCP influence on Reddit is not very visible. Tik Tok scares me quite a bit more though.
  - Markoff 6y ago
    not visible, been recently to r/worldnews ? everything criticisng China downvoted into oblivion if not straight deleted/banned
    - peteretep 6y ago
      Occam's razor says this is bots rather than anything being done via "official" Reddit channels.
      - akiselev 6y ago
        That's a defining feature of "plausible deniability."
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