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You'd be surprised how many people are already willing to let the death rate increase. The perception is that this virus mainly wipes out sick people and boomer

You'd be surprised how many people are already willing to let the death rate increase. The perception is that this virus mainly wipes out sick people and boomers. If there's one thing millennials hate, it's boomers.

bpodgursky 7y ago
Except most of the people willing to take the risk ARE the boomers and elderly. The millenials are the ones sheltering in place and posting about it on Twitter.
- mc32 7y ago
  I think in both cases it’s a minority but a noticeable or vocal minority who engage in this sparring. Also the spring breakers are not the boomer age group.
- vlunkr 7y ago
  I really doubt anyone has the data to make such a claim.
  - panzagl 7y ago
    He has data, it's on Twitter...
fermienrico 7y ago
20% hospitalization rate is what everyone should focus on. CFR is 3% but hospitalization of young adults is extremely high. When young people have to get treatment and they can't - they'll suffer and have serious consequences if not death. Edit: Listen to the person replying to me. It is not 20%, but 3.3%. I am off by an order of magnitude.
- bpodgursky 7y ago
  None of those numbers are accurate. Latest research: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30243-7/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... .66% CFR, with 3.3% hospitalized (and fewer ICU) under age of 40. Even in the >80 age range, hospitalization is < 20%. If you're going to make a point, make the point with accurate numbers -- those are off by an order of magnitude.
  - fermienrico 7y ago
    3.3% is still insanely high. If 50% of US population is under the age of 40, that's 5 million people in hospitals. This changes nothing.
    - Judgmentality 7y ago
      > This changes nothing. It literally changes everything, as you're spreading false information. Instead of 20%, it's 3.3% - that doesn't change anything? It's the difference of tens of millions of lives just in the United States! Yes, 3.3% is still high, but it's not even in the same ballpark as 20%. And not everyone will be hospitalized at once, which is the entire point of flattening the curve.
      - fermienrico 7y ago
        The point is that 20% or 3.3%, the amount of hospitalizations would far exceed the capacity. We shouldn’t get there in the first place. So the proposed idea of opening things up is a non starter. I’ve already edited my comment to concede on 20%. Why get so combative in responding? I’m not trying to spread false information and willing to concede when new factual information is reported. Jeez.
        Judgmentality 7y ago
        > Why get so combative in responding? Because you were arguing tens of millions of deaths "changes nothing."
- malandrew 7y ago
  The data I've seen so far shows that it's mostly young people with complications. If you're one of those people with such complications, you can self select out and remain quarantined while the rest of the country tries to return to work. That's not to say that a few young people with no health issues might be harmed. There will be some, but from what I've see thus far, all other potential causes of death in the next year from things like cars accidents are more likely than dying of COVID19 in the next year for those young people with no co-morbidities. Just saying young people in general have a CFR of 3% isn't helpful.
  - nradov 7y ago
    The crazy think is I still see plenty of young people smoking and vaping. WTF? Now might be a good time to take care of your lungs.
fourmyle 7y ago
There are zero hospitals in America that over capacity right now including NYC.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
  How much of that is due to hospitals clearing out and refitting themselves to support what they knew was coming? Do you expect that trend to continue?
- vfc1 7y ago
  The operative words are "right now", with the current evolution of the virus and the population not taking the measures seriously, how long do you think that is going to last?
- standardUser 7y ago
  25,000 cases to 250,000 cases in two weeks. Give it another two weeks. Thank god people with foresight and basic math skills are the ones planning for increased hospital capacity.
  - fourmyle 7y ago
    More and more tests means more and more cases. More cases with less deaths means the mortality percentage is lower. The number of cases does not matter at all. BTW God should be capitalized it's a proper noun.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  I'm in NYC and I have no idea what you're talking about. Many of our hospitals are well beyond capacity, the most well reported on example being Elmhurst Hospital. Go look it up.
- RHSeeger 7y ago
  The NYTimes article seems to disagree with you [1] > Across the city, hospitals are overrun. Patients have died in hallways before they could even be hooked up to one of the few available ventilators in New York. Doctors and nurses, who have had to use the same protective gear again and again, are getting sick. So many people are dying that the city is running low on body bags. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-usns-comfort.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-u...

bpodgursky 7y ago

Except most of the people willing to take the risk ARE the boomers and elderly. The millenials are the ones sheltering in place and posting about it on Twitter.

mc32 7y ago
I think in both cases it’s a minority but a noticeable or vocal minority who engage in this sparring. Also the spring breakers are not the boomer age group.
vlunkr 7y ago
I really doubt anyone has the data to make such a claim.
- panzagl 7y ago
  He has data, it's on Twitter...

fermienrico 7y ago

20% hospitalization rate is what everyone should focus on. CFR is 3% but hospitalization of young adults is extremely high. When young people have to get treatment and they can't - they'll suffer and have serious consequences if not death. Edit: Listen to the person replying to me. It is not 20%, but 3.3%. I am off by an order of magnitude.

bpodgursky 7y ago
None of those numbers are accurate. Latest research: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30243-7/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... .66% CFR, with 3.3% hospitalized (and fewer ICU) under age of 40. Even in the >80 age range, hospitalization is < 20%. If you're going to make a point, make the point with accurate numbers -- those are off by an order of magnitude.
- fermienrico 7y ago
  3.3% is still insanely high. If 50% of US population is under the age of 40, that's 5 million people in hospitals. This changes nothing.
  - Judgmentality 7y ago
    > This changes nothing. It literally changes everything, as you're spreading false information. Instead of 20%, it's 3.3% - that doesn't change anything? It's the difference of tens of millions of lives just in the United States! Yes, 3.3% is still high, but it's not even in the same ballpark as 20%. And not everyone will be hospitalized at once, which is the entire point of flattening the curve.
    - fermienrico 7y ago
      The point is that 20% or 3.3%, the amount of hospitalizations would far exceed the capacity. We shouldn’t get there in the first place. So the proposed idea of opening things up is a non starter. I’ve already edited my comment to concede on 20%. Why get so combative in responding? I’m not trying to spread false information and willing to concede when new factual information is reported. Jeez.
      - Judgmentality 7y ago
        > Why get so combative in responding? Because you were arguing tens of millions of deaths "changes nothing."
malandrew 7y ago
The data I've seen so far shows that it's mostly young people with complications. If you're one of those people with such complications, you can self select out and remain quarantined while the rest of the country tries to return to work. That's not to say that a few young people with no health issues might be harmed. There will be some, but from what I've see thus far, all other potential causes of death in the next year from things like cars accidents are more likely than dying of COVID19 in the next year for those young people with no co-morbidities. Just saying young people in general have a CFR of 3% isn't helpful.
- nradov 7y ago
  The crazy think is I still see plenty of young people smoking and vaping. WTF? Now might be a good time to take care of your lungs.

fourmyle 7y ago

There are zero hospitals in America that over capacity right now including NYC.

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
How much of that is due to hospitals clearing out and refitting themselves to support what they knew was coming? Do you expect that trend to continue?
vfc1 7y ago
The operative words are "right now", with the current evolution of the virus and the population not taking the measures seriously, how long do you think that is going to last?
standardUser 7y ago
25,000 cases to 250,000 cases in two weeks. Give it another two weeks. Thank god people with foresight and basic math skills are the ones planning for increased hospital capacity.
- fourmyle 7y ago
  More and more tests means more and more cases. More cases with less deaths means the mortality percentage is lower. The number of cases does not matter at all. BTW God should be capitalized it's a proper noun.
CydeWeys 7y ago
I'm in NYC and I have no idea what you're talking about. Many of our hospitals are well beyond capacity, the most well reported on example being Elmhurst Hospital. Go look it up.
RHSeeger 7y ago
The NYTimes article seems to disagree with you [1] > Across the city, hospitals are overrun. Patients have died in hallways before they could even be hooked up to one of the few available ventilators in New York. Doctors and nurses, who have had to use the same protective gear again and again, are getting sick. So many people are dying that the city is running low on body bags. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-usns-comfort.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-u...