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I will get banned for this in a matter of minutes but I will say the truth to whoever think HN is fair. For the past 3 months, every, again EVERY post that was

by armaxt 7y ago

I will get banned for this in a matter of minutes but I will say the truth to whoever think HN is fair. For the past 3 months, every, again EVERY post that was linked to Tailscale (not just the company domain but also the blog posts of the founders' websites), has gotten to the frontpage within minutes, with a full 100% hit rate. This cannot happen for any company, any project or anything else to be honest since there is a thread that gets posted every minute on average, and almost every thread, no matter how great it is, goes forgotten forever without a single upvote. This doesn't happen to even trillion dollar companies that are known by almost everybody so certainly this can't happen for a company of 5 people that was started only last year and hardly known by anybody. Nothing can get to HN's frontpage at a hit rate of 100% especially when you know this has been happening on almost a weekly basis since last December not to mention the daily promotion in comments on literally everything that has anything to do with WireGuard or even VPNs. HN simply favors some founders who have good network over the rest of us. I know that organized upovting and astroturfing isn't uncommon here, but there has never been anything anywhere near that's being done by this company and its founders here. This is simply free advertising worth of hundreds of thousands of dollars for free simply because the founders "know people". EDIT: Thank you HN for proving me right! This comment has 42 points as of now and it's buried in the bottom below almost every other comment. Still not a response from the founders who very coincidentally happen to exist literally during every time a post about their company gets submitted!

BooneJS 7y ago
Well, and whenever Google sunsets a product.
cbg0 7y ago
Having your friends upvote your posts on HN doesn't mean HN "favors" you.
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- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  > Can I ask people to upvote my submission? [1] > No. Users should vote for a story because they personally find it intellectually interesting, not because someone has content to promote. HN's software penalizes submissions, accounts, and sites that break this rule, so please don't. "A "voting ring" is when people get friends to upvote their stuff. This is against the rules. We want stories to be on HN because they're good, not because they were promoted." [2] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7543910 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7543910
  - eloff 7y ago
    Yep, too bad not everyone follows the rules. It's the same with everything that can be gamed from search results to taxes.
- armaxt 7y ago
  Even if it is only as innocent as having your friends mass upvoting every thread of yours, then this is an outright exploitation of HN rules. Again never happened that a company, especially a company that was started a few months ago and hardly known by anybody, gets to the frontpage with a 100% hit rate for more than 10 times in less than 3 months.
  - dang 7y ago
    Sure, that's very much against HN's rules. Also against HN's rules is posting accusations about these things without evidence. I've looked extensively into these cases, mainly because you've drummed up such a fuss about them with your various accounts. I found zero evidence of abuse. All the data indicates that these threads have been upvoted by serious, longstanding HN community members are just genuinely interested in the topic—probably because of the lineage of the founders, who are well known to this community and whose work many people like to follow. You've now crossed way beyond the point of trolling, including barraging us with hostile emails, and it's time to drop it and move on.
    - armaxt 7y ago
      There is no accusation, you're just playing with words to deflect the situation and make it on me instead on the real issue here which is about a company that had more frontpage posts of free positive publicity than most FAANG companies in the last month with a staggering 100% hit rate.
      - ta999999171 7y ago
        As someone who has spent years upon years fighting with and against corrupt subreddit mods+astroturfing users on reddit: HN can't do much about upvotes coming from friends if they're sufficiently distributed/no patterns to find. Also, please consider: their posts are just good/stimulate great discussion across multiple sectors of tech (networking meshing applies to ALMOST EVERYONE!).
TechBro8615 7y ago
This is definitely true and not just about Tailscale.
- blackandblue 7y ago
  noticed the same here. the question is, how do we get other interesting posts and products to HN front page?
dclusin 7y ago
If I google for "buy hacker news upvotes" I see someone selling them for $2. You don't need a network for it. If you spend time on your content marketing and you buy upvotes you'll get bumped to the front page and stay there. Tinfoil hat not necessary. When the HN plays favoritism in the vein of shilling for Y Combinator portfolio companies they make it fairly obvious to anybody paying attention. The portfolio company hiring posts are an example. Post to job descriptions and commenting disabled.
- dang 7y ago
  Those spammers are ripping off their own customers. What actually happens when people use that service is that they get their sites and accounts banned. I can't claim this in all cases, because I don't have a list of all their customers, but we've done it dozens of times and we have much independent verification in the form of user confessions and mea culpas. (We're softies when it comes to forgiving people, by the way, as long as they tell the truth.) As I said recently, it's a cat and mouse game and we eat a lot of mice. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21916935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21916935 You guys should realize how much work we put into defending this site against manipulation. Especially if you ever find yourself wondering why there isn't much new feature development on HN.
  - ta999999171 7y ago
    Two things: Please stick to this, new features aren't necessary! (You've heard this 10,000x before, but, reinforcing for posterity. ...could you un-shadowban me/whatever the state of my account is right now?
    - dang 7y ago
      We banned you as I explained here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22602849 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22602849. Happy to unban you if you give us reason to believe that you'll use HN as intended in the future. It's best to email hn@ycombinator.com about that.
symplee 7y ago
Should the list of who upvotes an article be public? When I make a comment, my username is displayed. If upvotes and their timestamps were public, it would make it a lot easier for the community to get to the bottom of any funny business like OP is describing.
- TechBro8615 7y ago
  This is a great idea, but will never happen because all the YC founders would be against it for obvious reasons. EDIT: Slightly altering it a bit. What if only the first 50 upvotes were public?
  - api 7y ago
    Everyone knows the site is partial to YC companies. It's an open secret. I consider it part of the "trade" in exchange for running a decent board without any ads or surveillance monetization. They're doing this for a reason, and it's to pump their brand. Hell they could just tag articles related to YC companies with a special color and pin them for a bit. I'd be fine with that.
    - TechBro8615 7y ago
      IIRC it's also true that YC founders see each other's names in a special color.
    - dang 7y ago
      I'm not sure why you're feeling like this is secret when we make a point of explicitly disclosing it, and always have. In fact, haven't you and I had exchanges about this years ago? There are three formal things that HN gives back to YC in exchange for funding it: (1) job ads, which appear on the front page and later on https://news.ycombinator.com/jobs; https://news.ycombinator.com/jobs; (2) Launch HNs for YC startups, which appear on the front page and later on https://news.ycombinator.com/launches; https://news.ycombinator.com/launches; (3) YC alumni usernames display in orange to other YC alumni (though not to themselves, which has led to a stream of emails over the years). https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20formal%20yc&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... We explicitly don't do anything beyond that to favor YC or YC companies on HN, though we don't draw lines to exclude anything either, because YC-related people and content are an inseparable part of the community here. I really need to add this to the FAQ though.
kyrra 7y ago
My guess? The people involved at Tailscale. Two of the founders (Avery Pennarun and David Crawshaw) are former Googler's that had a lot of respect within the company (I loved both of their G+ posts internally). Brad Fitzpatrick also recently joined them. They are then building the security model that Google uses[0], but trying to get it to other companies. I think the concept of BeyondCorp is pretty amazing and a great way to think about trust on a network. Those 2 points together probably gets them lots of upvotes. [0] https://research.google/pubs/pub43231/ https://research.google/pubs/pub43231/
- armaxt 7y ago
  Again, my argument is simple, how can EVERY post about any certain thing (not just for a _for-profit_ company like Tailscale but in general) can go to the frontpage within the first minutes every time for more than 10 times in a row over the short course of the past 3 months in a website that has the reputation of near impossibility to have your post on the frontpage even once except maybe for SHOW HN threads and where a flood of new threads gets posted every 10 minutes and almost every post gets buried immediately without getting a single upvote even if it was very well written.
  - creddit 7y ago
    Is there documentation for "EVERY"? I looked via a simple algolia search for "tailscale" and found relatively minimal posts but also a number with very few upvotes: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=tailscale&sort=byDate&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
    - armaxt 7y ago
      my reply is here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22762174 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22762174 not every post about their company contains the word Tailscale in the title.
    - dang 7y ago
      The "every" claim is false. This is a single user's personal war which has for whatever reason gotten trained on this company for the time being, and will no doubt move to some other target, since it's had other targets in the past.
camgunz 7y ago
Eh, as a datapoint in the other column, I'm genuinely interested in whatever bradfitz and apenwarr are working on. It could just be general fame.
- arcticfox 7y ago
  I upvote everything about Tailscale because I love it and any information that comes up about it. If it wasn't for my long and boring history on HN, I'd probably look like an astroturfer to an algorithm.
api 7y ago
I haven't been offended by it, and I'm the founder of a company that's been around longer and is probably the closest competitor: https://www.zerotier.com/ https://www.zerotier.com/ I don't hate on people for doing similar things. If anything I am absolutely shocked it took someone this long, since to me the idea of a full mesh virtual network is how things should work, everything else is stupid and clunky, the fact that we have to bounce off servers to transfer things is dumb, and NAT is pure concentrated evil and must be destroyed. I absolutely loved David Crawshaw's Remembering the LAN post: https://crawshaw.io/blog/remembering-the-lan https://crawshaw.io/blog/remembering-the-lan It echoes exactly the sentiments that motivated me to start working on ZeroTier, so I wish them well. As far as the upvotes go I just figured they have a lot of friends from their time at Google and their posts get upvoted a lot. I notice the same thing when any company that has a lot of HN users among its employee base does anything. When AWS, Apple, and Google do a bunch of product releases the front page gets bombed for days. The site practically turns into a news feed of new AWS Elastic Beanie Cap products when the ironically titled AWS ReInvent happens. If anything the FAANG companies get more free advertising here than anyone.
- dfcarney 7y ago
  (Tailscale co-founder here). I also loved Crawshaw's post. It really took me back, though I certainly wasn't doing the kind of hacking he was. I, for one, really appreciate the nod. I agree our motivations align and I look forward to hearing more about what you and team come up with. All the best on things at ZeroTier.
- apankrat 7y ago
  > I am absolutely shocked it took someone this long Because it's really hard to monetize it. Speaking from the experience. Edit - This particular bicycle gets reinvented on regular basis and in a nearly identical form. While technical details are difficult, the overall idea is rather simple. Rendezvous servers to coordinate the setup and NAT traversal + relays to handle the edge cases. The tricky part is the UX... but it's still nothing compared to monetization. Very few end users will pay for this, because if it "just works", it doesn't look like something worth paying for. Smaller companies will pay, but they don't realize they need it. Larger companies realize the need, but they won't touch 3rd party managed VPNs with a long pole. It's really quite a pickle. But the tech is beautiful :)
dang 7y ago
> Thank you HN for proving me right You've been proven nothing of the sort. I buried your post and the submission itself while investigating this claim, even though you've been trolling HN threads with these rants for weeks now, using multiple accounts to do it, ignoring our requests to stop breaking the site guidelines, and barraging us with ranty emails to boot. I've looked closely at the data and found no evidence for any of this. Every sentence in your comment is either demonstrably false or completely unsupported. I know that sometimes a bee gets into one's bonnet, but as I've explained to you a dozen times or so, all we can do is look at the data, and if reality conflicts with what you're saying, we have to go with reality. Actually, I appreciate your underlying concern for the integrity of this site. (Not so much the smears and accusations of corruption.) Your real sin, though, is wasting our time. That sucks precious resources away from doing what we ought to be doing to make HN better. I haven't had a chance to attend to the front page for the last several hours because I've been busy looking into this, writing about it, and dealing with your posts and emails. Meanwhile other emails pointing out quality concerns in other threads have been piling up in the inbox. Even though it's tedious, I've assembled a sample of what you've been posting so that readers can evaluate your claims for themselves, and also see how much damage a single disgruntled user can do to this place. In the future, we can refer concerns back here and hopefully not lose so much time. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22465402 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22465402 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22645796 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22645796 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587268 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587268 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22646808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22646808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22223423 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22223423 This was a pleasant one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22652042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22652042 In the past, you've had similar campaigns against other sites and topics, including Go, Kubernetes, IndieHackers, Keybase, DuckDuckGo, Mailchimp, and (yes) the Qataris: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22361860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22361860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22329624 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22329624 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22190633 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22190633 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22211243 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22211243 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22109987 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22109987 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22048852 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22048852 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22112625 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22112625

by armaxt 7y ago

BooneJS 7y ago

Well, and whenever Google sunsets a product.

cbg0 7y ago

Having your friends upvote your posts on HN doesn't mean HN "favors" you.

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toomuchtodo 7y ago
> Can I ask people to upvote my submission? [1] > No. Users should vote for a story because they personally find it intellectually interesting, not because someone has content to promote. HN's software penalizes submissions, accounts, and sites that break this rule, so please don't. "A "voting ring" is when people get friends to upvote their stuff. This is against the rules. We want stories to be on HN because they're good, not because they were promoted." [2] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7543910 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7543910
- eloff 7y ago
  Yep, too bad not everyone follows the rules. It's the same with everything that can be gamed from search results to taxes.
armaxt 7y ago
Even if it is only as innocent as having your friends mass upvoting every thread of yours, then this is an outright exploitation of HN rules. Again never happened that a company, especially a company that was started a few months ago and hardly known by anybody, gets to the frontpage with a 100% hit rate for more than 10 times in less than 3 months.
- dang 7y ago
  Sure, that's very much against HN's rules. Also against HN's rules is posting accusations about these things without evidence. I've looked extensively into these cases, mainly because you've drummed up such a fuss about them with your various accounts. I found zero evidence of abuse. All the data indicates that these threads have been upvoted by serious, longstanding HN community members are just genuinely interested in the topic—probably because of the lineage of the founders, who are well known to this community and whose work many people like to follow. You've now crossed way beyond the point of trolling, including barraging us with hostile emails, and it's time to drop it and move on.
  - armaxt 7y ago
    There is no accusation, you're just playing with words to deflect the situation and make it on me instead on the real issue here which is about a company that had more frontpage posts of free positive publicity than most FAANG companies in the last month with a staggering 100% hit rate.
    - ta999999171 7y ago
      As someone who has spent years upon years fighting with and against corrupt subreddit mods+astroturfing users on reddit: HN can't do much about upvotes coming from friends if they're sufficiently distributed/no patterns to find. Also, please consider: their posts are just good/stimulate great discussion across multiple sectors of tech (networking meshing applies to ALMOST EVERYONE!).

TechBro8615 7y ago

This is definitely true and not just about Tailscale.

blackandblue 7y ago
noticed the same here. the question is, how do we get other interesting posts and products to HN front page?

dclusin 7y ago

If I google for "buy hacker news upvotes" I see someone selling them for $2. You don't need a network for it. If you spend time on your content marketing and you buy upvotes you'll get bumped to the front page and stay there. Tinfoil hat not necessary. When the HN plays favoritism in the vein of shilling for Y Combinator portfolio companies they make it fairly obvious to anybody paying attention. The portfolio company hiring posts are an example. Post to job descriptions and commenting disabled.

dang 7y ago
Those spammers are ripping off their own customers. What actually happens when people use that service is that they get their sites and accounts banned. I can't claim this in all cases, because I don't have a list of all their customers, but we've done it dozens of times and we have much independent verification in the form of user confessions and mea culpas. (We're softies when it comes to forgiving people, by the way, as long as they tell the truth.) As I said recently, it's a cat and mouse game and we eat a lot of mice. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21916935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21916935 You guys should realize how much work we put into defending this site against manipulation. Especially if you ever find yourself wondering why there isn't much new feature development on HN.
- ta999999171 7y ago
  Two things: Please stick to this, new features aren't necessary! (You've heard this 10,000x before, but, reinforcing for posterity. ...could you un-shadowban me/whatever the state of my account is right now?
  - dang 7y ago
    We banned you as I explained here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22602849 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22602849. Happy to unban you if you give us reason to believe that you'll use HN as intended in the future. It's best to email hn@ycombinator.com about that.

symplee 7y ago

Should the list of who upvotes an article be public? When I make a comment, my username is displayed. If upvotes and their timestamps were public, it would make it a lot easier for the community to get to the bottom of any funny business like OP is describing.

TechBro8615 7y ago
This is a great idea, but will never happen because all the YC founders would be against it for obvious reasons. EDIT: Slightly altering it a bit. What if only the first 50 upvotes were public?
- api 7y ago
  Everyone knows the site is partial to YC companies. It's an open secret. I consider it part of the "trade" in exchange for running a decent board without any ads or surveillance monetization. They're doing this for a reason, and it's to pump their brand. Hell they could just tag articles related to YC companies with a special color and pin them for a bit. I'd be fine with that.
  - TechBro8615 7y ago
    IIRC it's also true that YC founders see each other's names in a special color.
  - dang 7y ago
    I'm not sure why you're feeling like this is secret when we make a point of explicitly disclosing it, and always have. In fact, haven't you and I had exchanges about this years ago? There are three formal things that HN gives back to YC in exchange for funding it: (1) job ads, which appear on the front page and later on https://news.ycombinator.com/jobs; https://news.ycombinator.com/jobs; (2) Launch HNs for YC startups, which appear on the front page and later on https://news.ycombinator.com/launches; https://news.ycombinator.com/launches; (3) YC alumni usernames display in orange to other YC alumni (though not to themselves, which has led to a stream of emails over the years). https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20formal%20yc&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... We explicitly don't do anything beyond that to favor YC or YC companies on HN, though we don't draw lines to exclude anything either, because YC-related people and content are an inseparable part of the community here. I really need to add this to the FAQ though.

kyrra 7y ago

My guess? The people involved at Tailscale. Two of the founders (Avery Pennarun and David Crawshaw) are former Googler's that had a lot of respect within the company (I loved both of their G+ posts internally). Brad Fitzpatrick also recently joined them. They are then building the security model that Google uses[0], but trying to get it to other companies. I think the concept of BeyondCorp is pretty amazing and a great way to think about trust on a network. Those 2 points together probably gets them lots of upvotes. [0] https://research.google/pubs/pub43231/ https://research.google/pubs/pub43231/

armaxt 7y ago
Again, my argument is simple, how can EVERY post about any certain thing (not just for a _for-profit_ company like Tailscale but in general) can go to the frontpage within the first minutes every time for more than 10 times in a row over the short course of the past 3 months in a website that has the reputation of near impossibility to have your post on the frontpage even once except maybe for SHOW HN threads and where a flood of new threads gets posted every 10 minutes and almost every post gets buried immediately without getting a single upvote even if it was very well written.
- creddit 7y ago
  Is there documentation for "EVERY"? I looked via a simple algolia search for "tailscale" and found relatively minimal posts but also a number with very few upvotes: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=tailscale&sort=byDate&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
  - armaxt 7y ago
    my reply is here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22762174 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22762174 not every post about their company contains the word Tailscale in the title.
  - dang 7y ago
    The "every" claim is false. This is a single user's personal war which has for whatever reason gotten trained on this company for the time being, and will no doubt move to some other target, since it's had other targets in the past.

camgunz 7y ago

Eh, as a datapoint in the other column, I'm genuinely interested in whatever bradfitz and apenwarr are working on. It could just be general fame.

arcticfox 7y ago
I upvote everything about Tailscale because I love it and any information that comes up about it. If it wasn't for my long and boring history on HN, I'd probably look like an astroturfer to an algorithm.

api 7y ago

I haven't been offended by it, and I'm the founder of a company that's been around longer and is probably the closest competitor: https://www.zerotier.com/ https://www.zerotier.com/ I don't hate on people for doing similar things. If anything I am absolutely shocked it took someone this long, since to me the idea of a full mesh virtual network is how things should work, everything else is stupid and clunky, the fact that we have to bounce off servers to transfer things is dumb, and NAT is pure concentrated evil and must be destroyed. I absolutely loved David Crawshaw's Remembering the LAN post: https://crawshaw.io/blog/remembering-the-lan https://crawshaw.io/blog/remembering-the-lan It echoes exactly the sentiments that motivated me to start working on ZeroTier, so I wish them well. As far as the upvotes go I just figured they have a lot of friends from their time at Google and their posts get upvoted a lot. I notice the same thing when any company that has a lot of HN users among its employee base does anything. When AWS, Apple, and Google do a bunch of product releases the front page gets bombed for days. The site practically turns into a news feed of new AWS Elastic Beanie Cap products when the ironically titled AWS ReInvent happens. If anything the FAANG companies get more free advertising here than anyone.

dfcarney 7y ago
(Tailscale co-founder here). I also loved Crawshaw's post. It really took me back, though I certainly wasn't doing the kind of hacking he was. I, for one, really appreciate the nod. I agree our motivations align and I look forward to hearing more about what you and team come up with. All the best on things at ZeroTier.
apankrat 7y ago
> I am absolutely shocked it took someone this long Because it's really hard to monetize it. Speaking from the experience. Edit - This particular bicycle gets reinvented on regular basis and in a nearly identical form. While technical details are difficult, the overall idea is rather simple. Rendezvous servers to coordinate the setup and NAT traversal + relays to handle the edge cases. The tricky part is the UX... but it's still nothing compared to monetization. Very few end users will pay for this, because if it "just works", it doesn't look like something worth paying for. Smaller companies will pay, but they don't realize they need it. Larger companies realize the need, but they won't touch 3rd party managed VPNs with a long pole. It's really quite a pickle. But the tech is beautiful :)

dang 7y ago

> Thank you HN for proving me right You've been proven nothing of the sort. I buried your post and the submission itself while investigating this claim, even though you've been trolling HN threads with these rants for weeks now, using multiple accounts to do it, ignoring our requests to stop breaking the site guidelines, and barraging us with ranty emails to boot. I've looked closely at the data and found no evidence for any of this. Every sentence in your comment is either demonstrably false or completely unsupported. I know that sometimes a bee gets into one's bonnet, but as I've explained to you a dozen times or so, all we can do is look at the data, and if reality conflicts with what you're saying, we have to go with reality. Actually, I appreciate your underlying concern for the integrity of this site. (Not so much the smears and accusations of corruption.) Your real sin, though, is wasting our time. That sucks precious resources away from doing what we ought to be doing to make HN better. I haven't had a chance to attend to the front page for the last several hours because I've been busy looking into this, writing about it, and dealing with your posts and emails. Meanwhile other emails pointing out quality concerns in other threads have been piling up in the inbox. Even though it's tedious, I've assembled a sample of what you've been posting so that readers can evaluate your claims for themselves, and also see how much damage a single disgruntled user can do to this place. In the future, we can refer concerns back here and hopefully not lose so much time. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22465402 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22465402 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22645796 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22645796 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587268 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22587268 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22646808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22646808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22223423 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22223423 This was a pleasant one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22652042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22652042 In the past, you've had similar campaigns against other sites and topics, including Go, Kubernetes, IndieHackers, Keybase, DuckDuckGo, Mailchimp, and (yes) the Qataris: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22361860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22361860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22329624 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22329624 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22190633 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22190633 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22211243 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22211243 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22109987 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22109987 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22048852 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22048852 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22112625 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22112625