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Sort of. The high end pro market is barely starting to turn a page and use mirrorless bodies Like the Sony a9/a9II. Nikon and Canon are following a bit behind i

Sort of. The high end pro market is barely starting to turn a page and use mirrorless bodies Like the Sony a9/a9II. Nikon and Canon are following a bit behind in mirrorless tech, but are still very much on top of the pro market (for now), mostly due to professional services, support, and glass.

selectodude 7y ago
Glass, of course, is more important and expensive than anything else.
- matwood 7y ago
  I’ve been envious of the Sony bodies, but the thought of giving up my Nikon glass meant I wasn’t moving. I’ve been thinking about picking up a z6, but I’m not sure it’s worth the price.
  - geerlingguy 7y ago
    From what I've seen, the D780 is a very well rounded 'best of both worlds' body. And I, having tasted the amazing quality and ease of use of video on the Z50, paired with forever-battery and very good focus system on the D750, am tempted to pick one up.
  - oh_sigh 7y ago
    Is there no adapter?
    - kinleyd 7y ago
      Yes, there is. It comes for free (depending on source) with Nikon mirrorless cameras.
      - matwood 7y ago
        The F to Z mount adapter is ok from what I’ve read. The cross brand adapters usually have a lot of gotchas though.
        Ididntdothis 7y ago
        I see videos from a lot of wildlife photographers who are using their big 600f4 lenses on Z6/Z7. It seems that adapter works really well.
        matwood 7y ago
        Great to know since it’ll be awhile before they have lenses to replace my F mount ones.
    - thedance 7y ago
      Sure, you can get a $500 adapter to mount Nikon glass on a Sony body. There may be advantages (you already own the lenses, it throws a shitload of light onto a small area of the sensor) but there are also disadvantages (running at less than half of the resolution the camera body offers, fully manual operation). I personally wouldn't choose this route for a fancy body like the A9, but I think it's a reasonable choice when using a cheaper MFT body.
    - hatsunearu 7y ago
      There's always the dumb adapter that allows you to use without AF (and possibly lose aperture for some lenses) but I think there's like a 300 dollar one (nikon F to sony FE) that lets you use autofocus and whatnot. But the general consensus is to get rid of your old glass if you're switching to mirrorless because the AF performance with adapters is on the "it barely works enough to not call it unusable" level.
      - petre 7y ago
        That's why I sold all if my AF Nikon F lenses and bought just two Panasonic lenses, the 40/2 and 14/2.8. The 14 will be replaced with a Leica 15/1.7 if I ever get serious about photography again. Until then I'm using an old Ricoh GRD 3, which is still amazing - no distorsion, great photo quality, great lens, stellar ergonomics.
      - grantpalin 7y ago
        This is a factor in me holding off from switching to mirrorless. Currently using the Nikon D50 which is dated now, and a handful of lenses which I am loath to give up on.
        matwood 7y ago
        D50 is a great camera. I used one for years until moisture got inside while shooting pics of an incoming hurricane. I only by weather sealed bodies now :)
hatsunearu 7y ago
Nikon and Canon both thought mirrorless was a toy and both of them made shitty cameras that are basically point and shoot with interchangable lenses. As anyone that isn't living under a rock might know, the point and shoot markets are basically annihilated from existence. The professionals/pro-amateurs who care about image quality etc didn't like the Nikon 1 and EOS M. Out of nowhere, Sony released the E mount Alpha lineup, which reached the #1 position in mirrorless cameras. They also released the Alpha 7, which was AFAIK the first full frame mirrorless (that means the imaging sensor is the same size as 35mm film. Most DSLRs used APS-C sized sensors, which are 1.5 times smaller than 35mm film). This was unprecedented because everyone thought mirrorless was basically a toy. Both Nikon and Canon have realized their mistakes and recognized mirrorless is serious business and is the future. Nikon has scrapped the Nikon 1 line and started making Nikon Z, which is a super pro/prosumer oriented mirrorless lineup with a full frame sensor. Canon hasn't scrapped the old mirroless line but is pushing the RF mount lineup which is also full frame. Sony was able to seize the market by being first to market by a long shot, not to mention the vertical integration from their imaging sensor division to deliver quality products. But now that Nikon and Canon entered the game with guns blazing, we'll see what happens to Sony. One thing of note is that Sony has opened up the E mount spec and allowed 3rd parties to create lenses. As a result there's a fuck ton of 3rd party lenses (most of them of dubious quality, but some are excellent) with autofocus support, and not just from Tamron and Sigma. It's a really interesting time to be in this hobby/profession IMO.
- bitL 7y ago
  Isn't Sigma making the best lens at the moment anyway?
  - to11mtm 7y ago
    Ehhhhh... IDK what they're like nowadays, but Sigma has in the past had a reputation for a larger quality variance than others.
    - lostapathy 7y ago
      Old Sigma lenses were often pretty bad, but the new Sigma Art lenses are amazing!
petepete 7y ago
For now. Sony's recent 600mm f/4 paired with a a9II and animal eye-af is something that will tempt wildlife and sports photographers. It's unrivalled. Services, yeah, Canon are miles ahead but one step at a time. I'm a Nikon shooter, mainly wildlife. If I was starting over today I don't know which system I'd buy into.

selectodude 7y ago

Glass, of course, is more important and expensive than anything else.

matwood 7y ago
I’ve been envious of the Sony bodies, but the thought of giving up my Nikon glass meant I wasn’t moving. I’ve been thinking about picking up a z6, but I’m not sure it’s worth the price.
- geerlingguy 7y ago
  From what I've seen, the D780 is a very well rounded 'best of both worlds' body. And I, having tasted the amazing quality and ease of use of video on the Z50, paired with forever-battery and very good focus system on the D750, am tempted to pick one up.
- oh_sigh 7y ago
  Is there no adapter?
  - kinleyd 7y ago
    Yes, there is. It comes for free (depending on source) with Nikon mirrorless cameras.
    - matwood 7y ago
      The F to Z mount adapter is ok from what I’ve read. The cross brand adapters usually have a lot of gotchas though.
      - Ididntdothis 7y ago
        I see videos from a lot of wildlife photographers who are using their big 600f4 lenses on Z6/Z7. It seems that adapter works really well.
        matwood 7y ago
        Great to know since it’ll be awhile before they have lenses to replace my F mount ones.
  - thedance 7y ago
    Sure, you can get a $500 adapter to mount Nikon glass on a Sony body. There may be advantages (you already own the lenses, it throws a shitload of light onto a small area of the sensor) but there are also disadvantages (running at less than half of the resolution the camera body offers, fully manual operation). I personally wouldn't choose this route for a fancy body like the A9, but I think it's a reasonable choice when using a cheaper MFT body.
  - hatsunearu 7y ago
    There's always the dumb adapter that allows you to use without AF (and possibly lose aperture for some lenses) but I think there's like a 300 dollar one (nikon F to sony FE) that lets you use autofocus and whatnot. But the general consensus is to get rid of your old glass if you're switching to mirrorless because the AF performance with adapters is on the "it barely works enough to not call it unusable" level.
    - petre 7y ago
      That's why I sold all if my AF Nikon F lenses and bought just two Panasonic lenses, the 40/2 and 14/2.8. The 14 will be replaced with a Leica 15/1.7 if I ever get serious about photography again. Until then I'm using an old Ricoh GRD 3, which is still amazing - no distorsion, great photo quality, great lens, stellar ergonomics.
    - grantpalin 7y ago
      This is a factor in me holding off from switching to mirrorless. Currently using the Nikon D50 which is dated now, and a handful of lenses which I am loath to give up on.
      - matwood 7y ago
        D50 is a great camera. I used one for years until moisture got inside while shooting pics of an incoming hurricane. I only by weather sealed bodies now :)

hatsunearu 7y ago

Nikon and Canon both thought mirrorless was a toy and both of them made shitty cameras that are basically point and shoot with interchangable lenses. As anyone that isn't living under a rock might know, the point and shoot markets are basically annihilated from existence. The professionals/pro-amateurs who care about image quality etc didn't like the Nikon 1 and EOS M. Out of nowhere, Sony released the E mount Alpha lineup, which reached the #1 position in mirrorless cameras. They also released the Alpha 7, which was AFAIK the first full frame mirrorless (that means the imaging sensor is the same size as 35mm film. Most DSLRs used APS-C sized sensors, which are 1.5 times smaller than 35mm film). This was unprecedented because everyone thought mirrorless was basically a toy. Both Nikon and Canon have realized their mistakes and recognized mirrorless is serious business and is the future. Nikon has scrapped the Nikon 1 line and started making Nikon Z, which is a super pro/prosumer oriented mirrorless lineup with a full frame sensor. Canon hasn't scrapped the old mirroless line but is pushing the RF mount lineup which is also full frame. Sony was able to seize the market by being first to market by a long shot, not to mention the vertical integration from their imaging sensor division to deliver quality products. But now that Nikon and Canon entered the game with guns blazing, we'll see what happens to Sony. One thing of note is that Sony has opened up the E mount spec and allowed 3rd parties to create lenses. As a result there's a fuck ton of 3rd party lenses (most of them of dubious quality, but some are excellent) with autofocus support, and not just from Tamron and Sigma. It's a really interesting time to be in this hobby/profession IMO.

bitL 7y ago
Isn't Sigma making the best lens at the moment anyway?
- to11mtm 7y ago
  Ehhhhh... IDK what they're like nowadays, but Sigma has in the past had a reputation for a larger quality variance than others.
  - lostapathy 7y ago
    Old Sigma lenses were often pretty bad, but the new Sigma Art lenses are amazing!

petepete 7y ago

For now. Sony's recent 600mm f/4 paired with a a9II and animal eye-af is something that will tempt wildlife and sports photographers. It's unrivalled. Services, yeah, Canon are miles ahead but one step at a time. I'm a Nikon shooter, mainly wildlife. If I was starting over today I don't know which system I'd buy into.