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Current Wuhan Situation
- nashashmi 7y agoTaxis are repurposed for hospital visits! How dangerous for taxi drivers.
- ipsum2 7y agoFrom what I've seen, taxi drivers have put up barriers between them and their passengers. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXJHp_zmgTE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXJHp_zmgTE Not sure how they disinfect the taxi afterwards though. Anyone more knowledgable on this?
- dang 7y agoUrl changed from https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1241620966762938370.html https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1241620966762938370.html, which points to this.
- Shoop 7y agoWhat’s the ruling on using threadreaderapp? Would a good submission post the original twitter source and link threadreaderapp in a comment?
- dang 7y ago"Ruling" is too strong a word but that's probably the best way. HN's guidelines call for original sources: "Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter." If there were a community consensus that threadreaderapp.com links are better than the equivalent twitter.com links, we could maybe override that, but there's no such consensus. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Kye 7y agoIt might be a cool cultural thing for someone to post a threadreaderapp link if available the way someone always posts an archive link.
- ignoramous 7y agothreadreaderapp is fast and almost always works unlike Twitter links that simply show "try again" because I block referer headers from being sent to their servers. > Our CSRF protection mechanism for POST requests checks that the origin and referer headers of the request are sourced from Twitter. Since we knew this to be effective for POSTs, we considered how we could implement this for GET requests. > This proved effective in addressing the vulnerability, but it prevented this initial load of the website. You might load Twitter from a Google search result or by typing the url into the browser. To address this case, we created a blank page on twitter.com which did nothing but reload itself. Upon reload, the referer would be set to twitter.com, and so it would load correctly. https://blog.twitter.com/engineering/en_us/topics/insights/2018/twitter_silhouette.html https://blog.twitter.com/engineering/en_us/topics/insights/2...
- kohtatsu 7y agoWow that's actually horrid.
- dredmorbius 7y agoThreadreader is unambiguously superior to Twitter.
- williesleg 7y agoWait it's Chinese? I thought we couldn't say that.
- yumraj 7y agoDoesn't this put into question the whole premise that China had defeated the Covid-19 and things are beginning to come to normal? The lockdown is in effect and the moment it's taken down, we'll see a second wave. No?
- lihaciudaniel 7y agoYou are right, but we did had a chance to contain it [1] but according to them [1] flattenthecurve.com
- kelp 7y agoTotal not an expert in this area or really qualified to comment. But I think if they can get the known case load low enough, and continue aggressive testing and contact tracing, they may be able to lift the lockdown. Then aggressively isolate anyone who's come into contact with a known case. If that doesn't work, restart the lockdown. The big risk my be re-importing it back from other parts of the world who've been much less successful at containing this.
- ENGNR 7y agoYes But... hospital and testing capabilities are building day by day, the quarantine is buying time It comes back, but the second time around we can isolate the right people due to ubiquitous testing, have more hospital beds and more knowledge on how to treat the sick, and are that much closer to a vaccine
- pengaru 7y agoAt least China now knows they have brakes that work.
- oiasdjfoiasd 7y agoPerhaps, but it is very manageable now.
- Leary 7y agoChina's relaxed posture is stricter than America's quarantines in NYC, Washington, and California.
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- eric_b 7y agoLet me make sure I have my timeline right. For years experts have warned that another SARS-like virus is going to come out of China, due to their animal husbandry practices and culture of eating certain animals. Then this disease appears, and China initially tries to suppress news of it. They deny it's an issue. Wasting valuable time and allowing it spread unchecked to the rest of the world. Then, about three months ago they lock down Wuhan to contain it (an area with millions of people I think?) This means, based on this Twitter thread, that residents can't even walk outside. So, like being incarcerated? And, people's wages are getting paid still, but as loans they'll owe when this is all over. So, like debt? What boggles my mind is all the positive news coverage of this. Why are people fawning over this?
- alkibiades 7y agoCCP propoganda is strong. and you cant counteract the narrative without being called a racist.
- dboreham 7y agoThey locked down end of January.
- drivers99 7y agoThe news I’ve seen has been calling it “draconian.” e.g. “China has used draconian measures to contain the spread of the virus, including locking down Hubei province and more recently stepping up measures to screen and quarantine overseas arrivals.” Reuters (NYTimes?) https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/21/world/asia/21reuters-health-coronavirus-china.html https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/21/world/asia/21reut...
- dredmorbius 7y agoChina, as with other countries, hss made errors and seen successes in addressing COVID-19. Systemic strengths and weaknesses have been exposed. A reasonable commentary expresses both sides. Truth is nonideological. As much as China squandered weeks, possibly months of advanced warning, we've seen precisely that script repeated around the world, across a wide range of cultures, governmental systems, economic systems, and ideologies. With a few notable exceptions: Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan RoC, and South Korea most notably. This epidemic is unprecedented since WWII, and everyone is making up their response (including numerous ineffective ones) as it develops. Most often there are no good options, only least bad ones.
- troughway 7y agoHere is a video that better describes the situation - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfsdJGj3-jM&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfsdJGj3-jM&feature=youtu.be
- unclesaamm 7y agoIn response to people who are saying, "it's just because Chinese people eat weird food that the virus started in Wuhan," here's a much more thoughtful article about how the shape of the global markets contributed to the shape of this pandemic: https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/chinese-virus-world-market/ https://nplusonemag.com/online-only/online-only/chinese-viru...
- dchyrdvh 7y agoVirus started in the Wuhan virus lab: personnel didn't follow the procedure and the virus leaked. Nearby there was a wet market, but that's a hardly relevant coincidence. Furthermore, many assume that the virus will die out if we stay at home for a few weeks. Virus can live safely in bats and other animals, as well as in some humans, and will resume spreading once the quarantine ends.
- fg6hr 7y agoDidn't the virus start from the Wuhan virus lab?
- overeater 7y agono
- ColanR 7y agoThere's a decent amount of evidence to suggest it did, and China has already shown themselves unreliable (putting it mildly) regarding information about the virus. I don't think you have a leg to stand on if you propose to speak with such certainty.
- ksk 7y agoNobody believes in this "theory" because the evidence is shoddy. But yeah, maybe its all a coverup. You can believe anything you want, for any reason.
- fg6hr 7y agoThis entire thread will be taken down shortly. I've noticed the interesting pattern of comments being downvoted or flagged if they mention the lab.
- Kaze404 7y agoBecause nobody cares about conspiracy theories.
- bigbluedots 7y agoI'd be interested in reading any evidence, could you provide some links?
- emmelaich 7y agoNo evidence here, but it shouldn't be dismissed either. From Wikipedia .. > Coronavirus research In 2005, a group including researchers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology published research into the origin of the SARS coronavirus, finding that China's horseshoe bats are natural reservoirs of SARS-like coronaviruses.[6] Continuing this work over a period of years, researchers from the Institute sampled thousands of horseshoe bats in locations across China, isolating over 300 bat coronavirus sequences.[7] In 2015, the Institute published successful research on whether a bat coronavirus could be made to infect HeLa. A team from the Institute engineered a hybrid virus, combining a bat coronavirus with a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and mimic human disease. The hybrid virus was able to infect human cells.[8][9]
- gruez 7y ago> the govt mandated employers must still pay salaries while [the workers are] in quarantine. As a reaction, some employers are requiring workers to make up this pay once they come back... effectively a loan. So how are the workers going to pay it back? I presume it's going to be a pay cut for the next n months until it's all made up for. While that's better than not getting paid at all, the unexpected pay cut might be problematic for households that live paycheck to paycheck (not sure how prevalent that is in china), and for the consumer economy. Also, are what happens if the employee simply quits? Are those debts legal debts?
- seanmcdirmid 7y agoFor employees on the edge making 5-10 RMB/hour, that will be a huge burden for them. In China you need a signed/stamped release from your previous employer before you can take a new job, so they could just hold that back if there are any debts to make up.
- raywu 7y agoIf you're interested in seeing the organized grocery run by neighborhood in Wuhan, this video interview[1] did an excellent job capturing the gist. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU2ut5Ark3Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU2ut5Ark3Q
- gdubs 7y ago“For context, most people live in "neighborhoods" comprised of several high rise apartments in a compact area w/ a shared green space (see pic).” Off-topic I know, but this is a pretty good description of the Sim City “donut” shape that was essential to building a megalopolis and winning the game. You built residential units around a park center, and with the right conditions that developed into white high-rises like those in her linked picture.
- natmaka 7y agohttps://solutions.synearth.net/a-community-dwelling-machine/ https://solutions.synearth.net/a-community-dwelling-machine/
- mamborambo 7y agoDid you miss the news last week that 14 million subscribers disappeared from China Mobile? If one accept the reality that every China resident needs his WeChat-enabled phone to process daily expenses and communicate with work and school units, how can such a huge number of people give up their phones suddenly? There has to be a grain of truth that the total number of Covid deaths in China is not 4000, but millions more.