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Do you know these are the real reasons or are you just rehashing what you have read? This feels more like confirmation bias. Can't imagine the rest of first wor

Do you know these are the real reasons or are you just rehashing what you have read? This feels more like confirmation bias. Can't imagine the rest of first world countries are completely shut down and here Japan is just doing fine with 1000s of ppl picnicking etc. There has to be something else going on..

pdr2020 7y ago
That's.. actually a very salient point.
adev_ 7y ago
>Do you know these are the real reasons? I don't pretend to know, that's my personal thoughts, I think they are. I am rather often in Japan for family reasons. > Can't imagine the rest of first world countries are completely shut down and here Japan is just doing fine with 1000s of ppl picnicking etc. I personally think one of the main reason is currently the exposition (or non-exposition) of the elders. They account for over 95% of the victims. If for a reason the elders are more isolated / protected / healthy. It ends up impacting a lot how deadly the pandemia is.
- adventured 7y ago
  > They [elders] account for over 95% of the victims. Half the most severe cases in France are under 60 years of age. It begs the question of why Japan is also not seeing anything like that. Deaths are certainly one thing to consider in terms of age, however if Japan had a mass spread of the virus I would expect to see a lot of ICU cases regardless. Even when countries aren't testing properly, the intensive care cases (or lack thereof) reveal what's going on eventually. I think it goes beyond the isolation of old people for Japan. It's similarly puzzling as the German case to death ratio, versus eg Spain (comparable case counts, 15 times the deaths). I've seen that one explained that older people in Germany are far less likely to live with their families vs Spain or Italy (so fewer of the most vulnerable are catching it in Germany). And yet, Germany also has three times the cases of Switzerland, with the same number of deaths. Something is very strange there. The low recovery figures out of Germany might imply they're not deep enough into the outbreak, time wise, to have the death rate spiking yet.
  - lonelappde 7y ago
    (www.begthequestion.info)
  - adev_ 7y ago
    > And yet, Germany also has three times the cases of Switzerland, with the same number of deaths Switzerland is a much smaller country than Germany or France. Proportionally to their inhabitants they are highly infected. But Switzerland is special, both largest cities in Switzerland are highly multicultural and with many people who were traveling in infected area every week, including in Italy. What happened currently in Switzerland was easy to anticipate.
  - toprea 7y ago
    In Germany's case the main explanation from lead virologists is that they are testing much more and were lucky to catch it early. Germany had from the beginning a capacity of about 100k tests per week. Now they are increasing that. So in conclusion, for Germany the number of infections is a bit closer to reality, where in Italy and Spain that number is/was much more far off.
Aeolun 7y ago
Well, we won’t know whether the picnicking was fine until about 2 weeks hence. I hope it was indeed fine, but I’m doubtful.

pdr2020 7y ago

That's.. actually a very salient point.

adev_ 7y ago

>Do you know these are the real reasons? I don't pretend to know, that's my personal thoughts, I think they are. I am rather often in Japan for family reasons. > Can't imagine the rest of first world countries are completely shut down and here Japan is just doing fine with 1000s of ppl picnicking etc. I personally think one of the main reason is currently the exposition (or non-exposition) of the elders. They account for over 95% of the victims. If for a reason the elders are more isolated / protected / healthy. It ends up impacting a lot how deadly the pandemia is.

adventured 7y ago
> They [elders] account for over 95% of the victims. Half the most severe cases in France are under 60 years of age. It begs the question of why Japan is also not seeing anything like that. Deaths are certainly one thing to consider in terms of age, however if Japan had a mass spread of the virus I would expect to see a lot of ICU cases regardless. Even when countries aren't testing properly, the intensive care cases (or lack thereof) reveal what's going on eventually. I think it goes beyond the isolation of old people for Japan. It's similarly puzzling as the German case to death ratio, versus eg Spain (comparable case counts, 15 times the deaths). I've seen that one explained that older people in Germany are far less likely to live with their families vs Spain or Italy (so fewer of the most vulnerable are catching it in Germany). And yet, Germany also has three times the cases of Switzerland, with the same number of deaths. Something is very strange there. The low recovery figures out of Germany might imply they're not deep enough into the outbreak, time wise, to have the death rate spiking yet.
- lonelappde 7y ago
  (www.begthequestion.info)
- adev_ 7y ago
  > And yet, Germany also has three times the cases of Switzerland, with the same number of deaths Switzerland is a much smaller country than Germany or France. Proportionally to their inhabitants they are highly infected. But Switzerland is special, both largest cities in Switzerland are highly multicultural and with many people who were traveling in infected area every week, including in Italy. What happened currently in Switzerland was easy to anticipate.
- toprea 7y ago
  In Germany's case the main explanation from lead virologists is that they are testing much more and were lucky to catch it early. Germany had from the beginning a capacity of about 100k tests per week. Now they are increasing that. So in conclusion, for Germany the number of infections is a bit closer to reality, where in Italy and Spain that number is/was much more far off.

Aeolun 7y ago

Well, we won’t know whether the picnicking was fine until about 2 weeks hence. I hope it was indeed fine, but I’m doubtful.