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I'm sure if china can shut people inside their houses to prevent spread, so can we. We just have to adopt a different attitude towards fundamental rights. Besid

I'm sure if china can shut people inside their houses to prevent spread, so can we. We just have to adopt a different attitude towards fundamental rights. Besides, medicine development seems to go rather quickly. I am sure it will be mostly dealt with in a years time.

woahitsraj 7y ago
This is impossible to know. Just because months after the outbreak China has managed to contain it, doesn't mean that there can't be a second wave of reinfection
- timwaagh 7y ago
  Yes, most likely. But it can be more or less severe depending on whether we manage to contain the 'first wave'
kingkawn 7y ago
Your certainty is as factual as a wish upon a star
- timwaagh 7y ago
  I am basing this on the news reports which say a german company is ready for in-human-trials which last months. after that, they would be able to produce millions of vaccinations in weeks. I think it's very promising. The us president apparantly also thinks so, since he has been trying to bribe them into exclusivity.
  - macintux 7y ago
    We don’t even know that a long-term vaccine is possible, much less that this specific one is going to work and not have catastrophic health impact on the trial subjects.
lbeltrame 7y ago
> I am sure it will be mostly dealt with in a years time. What do you mean exactly? If you mean locking people up in their homes for a whole year, I think this will have not only economic, but also deep social impacts.
- timwaagh 7y ago
  Yes there will be deep social and economic impacts. We wont get out of this unscathed. I think that's obvious. No i don't mean locking people in for a year. That measure should be localized and temporary.
  - lbeltrame 7y ago
    The big if at this point (and I say this as one of the locked - but healthy, luckily - people in Italy) is how long you can maintain the lockdown without economic impacts (people unable to work) and especially without social impacts (isolation and lack of human contact). In particular the latter is important IMO because not everyone can endure being basically closed in their homes for too long.
raxxorrax 7y ago
> We just have to adopt a different attitude towards fundamental rights. This is talk that really drives up any resistance against sensible health support. And the worst part, the resistance is more or less justified. You don't even know yet if the quarantine worked. We currently have data from countries without it that don't fare any worse. 2 weeks incubation period probably makes the tool worthless, but we don't have any conclusions yet.
- timwaagh 7y ago
  I don't think the chinese government is intentionally lying about the data. If we can assume their numbers are trustworthy enough, we can infer their measures were effective. Of course, if it happens it will be a bitter pill to swallow for everyone.
  - raxxorrax 7y ago
    I don't think they are lying, but you simply don't have anything to compare it to yet, which makes current inference a conjecture at best. You can only evaluate the data in comparison to other countries. Maybe they will get hit much harder, but currently the evidence doesn't support that.

woahitsraj 7y ago

This is impossible to know. Just because months after the outbreak China has managed to contain it, doesn't mean that there can't be a second wave of reinfection

timwaagh 7y ago
Yes, most likely. But it can be more or less severe depending on whether we manage to contain the 'first wave'

kingkawn 7y ago

Your certainty is as factual as a wish upon a star

timwaagh 7y ago
I am basing this on the news reports which say a german company is ready for in-human-trials which last months. after that, they would be able to produce millions of vaccinations in weeks. I think it's very promising. The us president apparantly also thinks so, since he has been trying to bribe them into exclusivity.
- macintux 7y ago
  We don’t even know that a long-term vaccine is possible, much less that this specific one is going to work and not have catastrophic health impact on the trial subjects.

lbeltrame 7y ago

> I am sure it will be mostly dealt with in a years time. What do you mean exactly? If you mean locking people up in their homes for a whole year, I think this will have not only economic, but also deep social impacts.

timwaagh 7y ago
Yes there will be deep social and economic impacts. We wont get out of this unscathed. I think that's obvious. No i don't mean locking people in for a year. That measure should be localized and temporary.
- lbeltrame 7y ago
  The big if at this point (and I say this as one of the locked - but healthy, luckily - people in Italy) is how long you can maintain the lockdown without economic impacts (people unable to work) and especially without social impacts (isolation and lack of human contact). In particular the latter is important IMO because not everyone can endure being basically closed in their homes for too long.

raxxorrax 7y ago

> We just have to adopt a different attitude towards fundamental rights. This is talk that really drives up any resistance against sensible health support. And the worst part, the resistance is more or less justified. You don't even know yet if the quarantine worked. We currently have data from countries without it that don't fare any worse. 2 weeks incubation period probably makes the tool worthless, but we don't have any conclusions yet.

timwaagh 7y ago
I don't think the chinese government is intentionally lying about the data. If we can assume their numbers are trustworthy enough, we can infer their measures were effective. Of course, if it happens it will be a bitter pill to swallow for everyone.
- raxxorrax 7y ago
  I don't think they are lying, but you simply don't have anything to compare it to yet, which makes current inference a conjecture at best. You can only evaluate the data in comparison to other countries. Maybe they will get hit much harder, but currently the evidence doesn't support that.