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South Korea's drive-through testing for coronavirus
- helloworld 7y agoThis is striking: "A nation of 51 million, South Korea has tested about 250,000 people since its outbreak began on Jan. 20, with a daily capacity of 15,000. It has conducted 3,600 tests per million people compared to five per million in the U.S."
- desert_boi 7y agoIt was announced that Idaho could test 800 to 1000 people. Not a day, total. The state has a population of 1.8 million people. It is the only state with no confirmed cases besides West Virginia, as of this morning. > It takes anywhere from hours to days to get test results. A doctor with a patient in Boise could have results in a matter of hours, because of proximity to the state laboratory. But samples that go to private labs in Utah and Washington take longer, due to shipping time and the hours it takes to run the tests. https://www.idahostatesman.com/living/health-fitness/article241141751.html https://www.idahostatesman.com/living/health-fitness/article...
- colmvp 7y agoMeanwhile in Oklahoma: > The coronavirus tests run on the Utah Jazz’s players and team employees came from a good portion of the state of Oklahoma’s supply. > The 50-plus tests that were run on the Jazz’s traveling party after Rudy Gobert tested positive for COVID-19 were from the state and not a private lab. And the number of tests run on Jazz players represents over half of the state’s daily peak capacity testing levels. > “We have the capacity to run about 100 tests a day and we have a number of test kits,” Oklahoma commissioner of health Gary Cox said at a Thursday news conference. “We're ordering additional reagents at the time. So, we have the current capacity I think for about 300 tests.” Oklahoma has had three positive cases of the virus so far with four still pending. Thirty-six tests have returned negative.
- Mountain_Skies 7y agoState and municipal governments have invested heavily in professional sports teams with payback coming only via economic activity from their games being played. From the state's point of view, they're protecting their investment and trying to get it generating revenue again. Of course these "investments" in sports teams by state and local governments are about as logical as investing in lottery scratch off tickets but politicians love getting their governments entangled with the finances of the local pro sports team and being able to boast to sports loving voters that they're the reason why the town has a team.
- malandrew 7y agoThe credit here doesn't go to South Korea's government but to a company called Seegene and it's CEO Chun Jong-yoon who directed the company to focus on COVID-19 testing on January 16th. They are the reason South Korea's CDC was able to ramp up 118 labs so quickly. It's making about 10,000 test kits a week and has been at the center of South Korea's testing strategy. The market is better at addressing problems than government and if the FDA and CDC hadn't gotten in the way in the US, our testing response would have been far better. Seegene's kits test for all three marker genes and aren't even available in the US because it doesn't yet have FDA approval. At least 30 other countries are placing orders for Seegene's kits.
- clairity 7y agoit wasn't "the market" that solved this problem. it was the employees, including the ceo, at that company who felt a duty to the rest of the country, not to some market opportunity, that effected the result. bureaucracies, including corporate ones (see: innovator's dilemma), are typically not nimble enough to respond to rapidly changing circumstances. it's not a market vs government (false) dichotomy.
- malandrew 7y ago> it was the employees, including the ceo, at that company that is the market doing its thing. The CEO made that decision 4 days before South Korea had its first case.
- graeme 7y agoIf you ban private companies from making tests, then people like that CEO are blocked from trying. The market is just shorthand for people.
- tathougies 7y agoI mean, the CEO and the employees are literally part of the free market.
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- ta999999171 7y agoWill Korea sell us tests? Will anyone? Has this been discussed anywhere?
- claudeganon 7y agoThe administration turned away from the German designed/WHO standard tests everyone else is using, so I don’t think any international ones are FDA approved. Today’s presser sure gave me the impression that the delay in testing was so they could roll out this nebulous private-public partnership drive through testing and I guess boost CVS’ stock price or something.
- ArtDev 7y agoI think the Trump administration saw the profit $$$ in test kits while ignoring the larger health and economic risks posed by a delay in testing. Now, it is too late and Trump is too thick-sculled to admit he was wrong.
- egdod 7y agoWhat kind of cartoon villain do you think he is??
- golemiprague 7y agoTrump is the one who banned travelling from China when all the left and media said it is because he is racist, then he banned travel from Europe which is not racist because they are white, he did this also pretty early. He is the one who advocated strong borders and returning manufacturing to the US and now signed the order to force manufacturing of certain medicines in the US rather than in China. He is the one who objected investing billions in "green new deals", imagine the economy had to deal now with this waste of money on some perceived future problem. In hindsight Trump was right about his anti globalisation and strong border control policies and did the right things at a reasonable timeline. So yes, he said some stupid stuff, who cares, it is better having someone who do the right things than say the right things.
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- ghevshoo 7y agoThe situation in Stockholm, Sweden right now is: “You who have symptoms similar to coronavirus will not be tested in the future. This applies regardless of whether you have been in the areas that were previously exposed to infection or had close contact with someone you know is ill in covid-19.” There are no test kits. Hospitals have run out of face masks. And it’s only just getting started here.
- MaCorona 7y agoOne could built UV-Lightmasks. A transparent hose, add UV-LEDS to sterilize the flowing air. Dry the air at the start with silica gel. All that is needed then is a battery. The silica gel can be heated every once in a while to loose any moisture bound it and sterilize virus particles attached to it.
- lend000 7y agoI hate to see creative ideas being down-voted by the mob. While the length of UV exposure time required to kill viruses is probably impractical for a mask, certain UV bands could be instrumental for sanitizing public areas and hospitals. [0] [0] https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20180212/can-uv-light-be-used-to-kill-airborne-flu-virus- https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20180212/can-uv-ligh...
- steve_adams_86 7y agoYou'd need a specific wavelength (265nm seems to be the standard) and they get pretty expensive. A UV LED from adafruit or sparkfun will probably not be sufficient. At a glance they sell LEDs around 400nm which from my cursory reading wouldn't be effective for what you're imagining. Not to say this would never work. Just that you would need special parts that are less common and more expensive by orders of magnitude. I've also read that sterilizing very fast moving air doesn't work well. It seems HVAC systems use extremely intense light order to be effective in these conditions, which a small LED (or a few) wouldn't accomplish.
- wwweston 7y agoIt seems more productive to hit the room with far UVC, and there are already some products that do that, not sure about scale though.
- itcrowd 7y agoThe questions to ask for any test: - What is the false positive rate? - What is the false negative rate? - Considering the above, what is the efficacy of mass testing? (Not saying it is or isn't effective, hard numbers are necessary)
- sho74 7y agoYup I have been wondering about this too. If my community has 10 beds and 2 docs what is anyone supposed to do if there are 100 positives? Other weird thought I had was how does security deal with some lunatic who gets tested positive and runs around infecting others...just walks into some critical hub like a hospital and pat's everyone on the back.
- elorant 7y agoAt the very least you can isolate those 100 people and their contacts instead of isolating the whole freaking county. Lockdowns work but there is a huge burden to the economy.
- mattnewton 7y ago> Yup I have been wondering about this too. If my community has 10 beds and 2 docs what is anyone supposed to do if there are 100 positives? Pick the 10 most likely to develop complications due to age or comorbidity and quarantine the rest so that you don’t get 200 more next week. We’re still in the “stop the bleeding” phase of treatment.
- scrollaway 7y agoTriage usually dictates that the ones most likely to die from the illness, especially if they're old, get lower priority than those that can be treated at a greater success rate, and who are more likely to live longer and healthier as a result. This is the procedure at most hospitals. You give the beds to those who need them, and are most likely to "make good use" of them (= not "waste" them by likely dying anyway; sorry for the atrocious wording)
- ck2 7y agoI wonder if Walmart completely thought out what is going to happen when they turn their parking lots into drive-up testing, implying that every sick person with a fever is going to be in a Walmart parking lot soon.
- claudeganon 7y agoWith exponential growth of the disease, lack of testing, and poor healthcare infrastructure in the US, that would’ve happened anyway when people needed groceries. I guess they decided they might as well cash in on some testing stations.
- blhack 7y agoAre they cashing in somehow? Or do you mean cashing in in the sense that they have a massive, existential financial interest in this going away as quickly as possible?
- claudeganon 7y agoDetails of the arrangement aren’t clear. They’re stock shot up about ten points after the announcement though.
- jcheng 7y agoThe stock market as a whole was up 10%.
- kevin_thibedeau 7y agoYou go in after hours when the risk of contact is minimal.
- ck2 7y agoYou really think they are going to bother to be open beyond 9-5 and maybe not even weekends? Also with the air-conditioner on exhaust and the people taking swaps without protective gear, or even with, moving the virus from car to car so efficiently. Look at this crazy photo: first guy is leaning into the car with facemask down. Totally going to happen at half the Walmarts. https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/03/12/upshot/12up-healthcovid/merlin_170345880_ab07006f-7c0f-49c4-938d-f6850badf9a9-jumbo.jpg https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/03/12/upshot/12up-healt...
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- ck2 7y agoKorea gear approach: https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2020/03/13/gettyimages-1205553157_custom-5c12d569a8ea0724b74b972034ad3ba5b62557e7-s1200-c85.jpg https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2020/03/13/gettyimages-1205... Europe (and likely USA) https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/03/12/upshot/12up-healthcovid/merlin_170345880_ab07006f-7c0f-49c4-938d-f6850badf9a9-jumbo.jpg https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/03/12/upshot/12up-healt... Leaning into the car with facemask down. Should end well.
- ggffryuuj 7y agoI just finished listening to a veteran virologist give a 2 hour interview. It’s being blown way out of proportion. Nobody under the age of 9 has died, period. Under the age of 30 your mortality probability is vanishingly small. It’s only a threat to people who have a compromised immune system because of age, diabetes or something like that. This is nothing like the Spanish flu. Unlike influenza viruses, these viruses don’t mutate in a way that would cause their recurrence every year. The chances of a more deadly strain popping up are extremely small. I listened to trump address the nation in the rose garden live today. The npr correspondent confidently said that this virus “isn’t going away.” It’s a flat out lie and hysteria.
- DeepThoughts 7y agoWould love to see your sources. I’m shocked there are still people like you claiming this is all an overreaction while the smart folk are all bracing for impact. You gotta get it together man, this is bigger than anything you’ve ever seen in your life. If we’re very lucky it’ll be bad in the coming weeks and months, if we’re not it’ll be much much worse.
- ggffryuuj 7y agoI would love to see a source that contradicts what I said. My source is the testimony of a virologist with 40 years of experience and other qualified people. I’m sorry to be blunt but there simply isn’t anything to brace for. The worst case scenario is that a very small number of people die before herd immunity slows the spread to nothing, after which the virus will basically disappear probably before we even have a vaccine for it. That’s what happened with Zika and some others. That’s what’s going to happen here. The number of people who die will be similar to deaths from the flu, car accidents and other things. Can you offer a single substantive counter argument to anything I’ve said? I will enjoy reading it.
- ceejayoz 7y agoIt'd be super great if you'd cite your source. Like... a name? A link?
- dba7dba 7y agoI don't have the link but I read Seegene is providing about 80% of the coronavirus test kits used in Korea currently. 1. CNN article (March 12, 2020) on Seegene https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-testing-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-... The CNN text article is actually pretty good article and also the video is good. The company reports they used AI to speed up the development. They were able to accomplish it in 2 - 3 weeks with a few people instead of 2 - 3 months with many more staffers getting involved. From the CNN article The firm is making about 10,000 kits a week and each kit can test 100 patients. So it is making enough to test one million patients each week, at a cost of under $20 per test. Seegene is now looking to export of the excess capacity to 30 countries including Germany and Italy. 2. Below is 2017 video of a mini-seminar of Seegene's solution platform at a trade show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKL5D19r6t8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKL5D19r6t8 The last part shows that they have a software solution for helping faster diagnosis. As a layman, I felt Seegene's product focus is on getting as many tests done as possible by using following: - One test vial can test multiple issues - Integrating barcode/software to allow faster diagnosis 3. I frankly don't understand why FDA can't approve Seegene's product into US. It's not like people will be injected with liquid/medicine.
- ecf 7y agoFor #3, it’s because the contract for making the official test for the US is going to be awarded to a friend of someone in the committee, and they have to wait for said friend to have tests ready.