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A Movement to Stop the Covid-19 Pandemic
- Gravityloss 7y agoGood idea. A bit unfortunate naming.
- livealife 7y agoThey wanted to put it blunt. And hence such a name...
- hyperbovine 7y ago"Blunt" just comes off as puerile. Why should I take you seriously when you talk like a teenager.
- quaquaqua1 7y agoI would venture a guess that most (Americans) respond well to teenage-style messaging, given the number of people who voted for a man who made disrespect his mantra. Sigh
- Moshe_Cohen 7y agoThat's one of the more creative opportunities I've seen to shoehorn an "orange man bad" in somewhere completely unnecessary. Get your T levels checked.
- karatestomp 7y agoYou know different adults from just about all the ones I’ve ever met, I guess.
- livealife 7y agoI believe they are up for a noble cause. Please focus their self-quarantine manifesto rather than the "words" they used.
- jungturk 7y agoThat's kinda the issue - the author has (surely inadvertently) diluted the focus of their point with the language choice. I say this as a person who prefers to speak as frankly and casually as the author does, but when going into broadcast mode it's worthwhile to ask yourself if your language supports your mission or not (for instance, by pre-empting the majority of the comments in post that are curious about the language choice).
- kingkawn 7y agoBecause you’ve decided that being performatively uptight is not advantageous to a life fully lived
- happytoexplain 7y agoThis is totally alien to me. I could understand - though not relate - if you were offended, or just thought the use of the word "fuck" here was awkward or tonally inconsistent. But "puerile" and "why should I take you seriously" and "you talk like a teenager" is an absolutely ridiculous reaction to me. I've honestly not met a single person in all my life who reacted like that to a superfluous curse word.
- sojournerc 7y agoThis isn't superfluous... it's in the domain name. Smh
- tomjen3 7y agoBecause it is not about who says it, but about the truth value of it - and the simple fact is that you probably do know some old people you would like to keep alive.
- __ryan__ 7y agoseriouslyjuststayhome.com is just as blunt and not as edgy/cringe-y.
- Aeolun 7y agoThis sounds stilted to me, and not nearly as impactful.
- happytoexplain 7y ago>edgy/cringe-y It's upsetting to me to see these "meme" adjectives used sincerely on HN.
- __ryan__ 7y agoCan you expand on this? What about these adjectives are a meme? To me, the “tech person gives advice while brazenly cursing to show how serious and authoritative they are” is a meme. Edit: I just learned that “cringey” is not In most dictionaries yet (which explains why spell check is saying it’s not a word). That said, the term fills a void where no other term conveniently comes to mind.
- alexandrerond 7y agoI used to do this when I was 15.
- eeZah7Ux 7y ago"blunt" does not mean effective. It's not an URL that most people would share at work.
- falcolas 7y agoThe word "fuck" has no real value to it. For those who don't care about the use of "fuck", it comes across with as much impact as an extra exclamation point. However, for those who do care, it immediately makes them hostile to the author's intent. If you want to get your message across to as many people as possible (and why wouldn't you with COVID-19 and the "stay home" message), swearing can only hurt your message.
- happytoexplain 7y agoEvery word in common usage has value to it, because every word in common usage has slightly different meanings, feelings, and implications.
- bitwize 7y agoYikes, oof, not a good look, etc.
- livealife 7y agoVery pleased to see developers trying to contribute to the community to their capacity. But, I am curious to know the impact of this #StayTheFuckHome movement.
- tmountain 7y agoGreat advice, but the expletive will limit its reach. Consider adding another alternate domain so that this can be shared with friends/family whom might find this offensive.
- Aeolun 7y agoPeople now take offense at the word ‘fuck’? They must have a really hard life.
- mcv 7y agoIn the US they do. The US has a long history of censoring this and a couple of other words.
- sojournerc 7y agoDo you drop f-bombs in front of your grandmother? It's about respect and understanding of someone else's values and upbringing. The comment was about reaching a wider audience, not being offended.
- Someone1234 7y agoSeems like focusing on blaming individuals rather than: - Employers don't allow telecommuting. - Employers with draconian sick leave policies. - No paid sick leave for the majority of jobs (and or strict limits). - Limited access to testing to know if you have Covid-19 (Vs. a common cold). Which is significant with e.g. Walmarts new policies which ONLY allow Covid-19 paid sick leave. Ultimately we set up a system where most people lose by default, then we critique those people for their personal failings without a hint of irony.
- icebraining 7y agoI don't see any blame (except for "our governments"), I see advice.
- ldeangelis 7y ago> Limited access to testing to know if you have Covid-19 This is a huge one, at least in France. A friend recently tried to get tested because he was coughing heavily and had a fever. His doctor asked if he went to Italy or China recently, he said no, his doctor replied "Well then you don't have it." and that was the end of it.
- jplayer01 7y agoI don't understand. How are doctors this stupid? We have obvious communal transmission in France (and other countries). And if nobody is fucking testing for it, the doctor can't fucking say that you can't have it. What happened to evidence-based medicine?
- hatenberg 7y agoFrance is playing the not testing game. Singapore had 4 imported cases in the last 2 days from there.
- mcv 7y agoI guess the test shortage is not limited to the US? When my son got a cold, I also preferred to get him tested, but couldn't. Soon it became pretty obvious it was just a cold, but still, without a negative test for him, I'm not allowed to come to the office. It's pretty clear that it's spreading faster than they can keep track of by merely tracking who you had contact with. I can understand they don't want to waste time or resources on people who obviously have a simple cold, but I'd rather they did test people who report flu cases.
- pgrote 7y agoQuick question ... wouldn't a more appropriate response be to self quarantine those age groups most at risk?
- robjan 7y agoPeople who are less at risk of complications have the same / more (because they survive and are more active) risk of spreading the illness.
- mumblemumble 7y agoPeople who are more at risk can't necessarily self-quarantine as effectively, because the same factors that put them at risk tend to also mean they require more care from (and therefore contact with) others. It's like the flu shot. One big reason to get the flu shot every year, even if you never get the flu, is because controlling it needs to be a community effort. A big vector for seasonal flu is young, healthy people with subclinical infections. They never develop any symptoms, or maybe think it's just a cold, so they keep circulating in public and blithely spreading it to others.
- pqs 7y agoThe page lacks something about how to deal with kids. That's a huge point for those of us that have toddlers and kids at home.
- livealife 7y agoAs per news, coronavirus is more dangerous to elders compared children
- croon 7y agoChildren can still be carriers (they're very potent at it!), and kids are a full time commitment even when they're healthy. They factor into everything, including OP.
- HenryBemis 7y agoYes but there is no point for an adult to self isolate avoiding a concert while creating an "underground network" where kids contaminate one another, they stay unaffected, and bring the CV home and to the grandparents. This is the main reason schools are closing down, to disrupt "that" network. Kids also have poor hygiene, try to convic a toddler to NOT pick their noses and eat it (amiright??), try convince a toddler to NOT stick theylir fingers in their mouths. I read many governments are already planning for "sick leave" just to make sure that kids will be protected and prevented from doing the above. And in an unrelated note, I remembered the movie "28 days later" and its fantastic soundtrack!
- ArnoVW 7y agoI believe what he meant to say was that if you have a 2-year old at home, it will be difficult to work at home.
- crimsonalucard 7y ago>Disclaimer: The content of this website does not constitute medical advice. The information provided above is meant to be a suggestion for concerned individuals to follow a loose set of guidelines based on best practices and anecdotal evidence to protect themselves and their loved ones. There is no guarantee or scientific evidence that following the mentioned guidelines will lead to a reduction in new infections or even stop the COVID-19 epidemic. There is also no guarantee that following these guidelines will reduce the risk of getting infected with SARS-CoV-2 or any other viral or bacterial contagion. All information provided on this website is given with the best intent and will to provide factual information. In no event shall the website operators be held liable for any claim, damages or other liabilities. If you have concerns or comments about the information provided on this website, please write to inquiry@staythefuckhome.com. Here's a guy who's an expert on COVID-19 because he reads the internet. If you have symptoms that feel like death I am telling you to discount this persons' advice, get yourself to the doctor because you may very well be dying. Also a site that's just better: https://www.zocdoc.com/about/coronavirus-covid-19-2/ https://www.zocdoc.com/about/coronavirus-covid-19-2/ Here's the advice from this site: >Contact your primary care provider before going to their office. Be sure to let them know if you’ve been in close contact with someone who has coronavirus, or if you’ve recently traveled to an area where the virus is spreading, whether or not you have symptoms. If you don’t have a doctor to contact, you can also reach out to your local board of health. ^^that up there is proper advice.
- mnw21cam 7y ago> ...get yourself to the doctor... Every single bit of advice we have been handed out the last few weeks is trying to get the message out - Do not physically go to your doctor if you suspect you have this illness. Do not turn up at hospital. Stay at home and telephone the doctors to inform them of what you think you have, and to get advice on what to do next. If you are feeling OK, telephone the non-emergency numbers. If you are feeling like you're about to die, telephone the emergency numbers.
- crimsonalucard 7y agoWhere on the site does it say telephone your doctor to determine whether or not you should go? Nothing. Horrible site.
- kuu 7y agoWe started to do this in Spain today and we're LATE. Please stay at home if possible, the idea is to reduce the amount of infected and spread the infection over time so we do not saturate the hospitals. Don't need to panic, just do it.
- the_70x 7y agototal nonsense opinion
- jpster 7y agoPlease expand on this.
- albertTJames 7y agoour governmentS ? your mean the government of the United States of America. The rest of the world is not led by a moron.
- bb123 7y agoAnybody know if there is a safe for work version of this? I would like to share it with my colleagues but the choice of language means I can't.
- beeforpork 7y agoNot the same, but maybe what you want: https://www.flattenthecurve.com/ https://www.flattenthecurve.com/ To avoid TL;DR, search for boxes with green or red background centered text -- that's recommendations of behaviour.
- bb123 7y agoThanks, that is a really excellent link.
- Aeolun 7y agoYour company forbids the sending of urls with fuck in?
- bb123 7y agoI have no idea, and no desire to find out :)
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- ilogik 7y agoa better resource: https://www.flattenthecurve.com/ https://www.flattenthecurve.com/
- jpster 7y agoWhat is the path for rebooting society after all this? In the absence of a vaccine, what would be the “all clear” signal?
- ancarda 7y agoFor many years now, I have - 5 times a week - left a building with a computer and Internet access to travel for an hour or more to a building with a computer and Internet access to talk to my colleagues - almost exclusively over Slack and GitHub - for many hours, before traveling back to the same building I left earlier that day. Often, I carry the computer I used throughout the day with me. Apparently working from home isn't going to be allowed... Oh well.
- stareatgoats 7y agoAny day now, any day now, we shall be released.
- dhhwrongagain 7y agoProbably 100K people max will see this website and the audience is probably skewed toward people who are already well educated on covid-19 precautions
- mark_l_watson 7y agoMy wife and I are perfectly situated to simply stay at home. We live in a small town in the mountains (which unfortunately gets 1.5 million tourist visitors a year, many international visitors). We always talked about staying at home and just talking with friends and family via FaceTime or phone during a pandemic. The problem is that I volunteer at the local food bank and my wife teaches in a reading program, so for us, STFH means that we are walking away from obligations.
- mcv 7y agoMy work (client rather than employer) has divided all teams in two, where team A is allowed to come to the office this week, but has to work from home next week, while team B telecommutes this week and can come to the office next week. Despite being in team A, I'm not allowed to come to the office because my son has a cold that's already cured. But without a negative test, I still have to telecommute for two weeks. They seem to be a bit more paranoid than your average health expert, but I guess it's better to be safe than sorry. I will definitely miss seeing the other half of my team, though.
- WhyNotHugo 7y agoWhile people in tech can easily do all this, not everyone can. Eg: supermarket employees can. Much like pretty much anyone who works on-site. > Do not use public transportation if not absolutely necessary. Yeah, cause everyone lives within walking distance of their jobs.
- sebazzz 7y agoCorona doesn't stop. Many of us will get infected and many of us [in a relative sense] will be fine after fighting the virus. The thing we need to focus on is making sure the contagion happens at a speed so it doesn't overload our hospitals. German counselor Merkel said that probably 70% will get infected, so we should focus on having too many people infected at the same time.
- jacknews 7y agoWhat is the point of this? The tone will not accomplish anything the content is already known, albeit most of the points are good advice no new ideas are proposed stats (morbidity, % critical, etc) are still not stable or very helpful at this stage second-order (let alone deeper) consequences are not discussed at all.
- nathan_young 7y agoIf you see any tech tools or data please add them here: Coronavirustechhandbook.com
- jpg_converter 7y agoI'm curious about the 2% death rate number. How can we rely on this number if test kits are in such limited supply and the rate of "Severe" symptoms is only 15%? Is the death rate only calculated out of known cases? do we only know about the severe cases?
- mygo 7y agoThey do not say death rate, but they do mention the case fatality rate, which is exactly what it sounds like, and as you have described. It’s the number of people who have died, of the known cases. Not everyone who is infected becomes a case, for one reason or another. Maybe their symptoms did not arouse enough concern, or maybe testing was refused to them since they didn’t fit an erroneously narrow list of testing requirements. Another thing to keep in mind is that people calculating the CFR from public data on a napkin typically don’t distinguish between survivors and those who just haven’t died yet. So the other side of the CFR (the people who haven’t died) tends to include both the known survivors and will-be-survivors, as well as the people who are in the ICU hanging on for dear life and could be dead tomorrow. For this reason, unless it explicitly states that it’s only counting survivors and deaths, the CFR is more reliable once the spread has began to decline, when there are fewer new cases each day than the day before.