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Yup. It’s also pretty obvious that eugenics would work since it works just fine across plenty of other species (see dogs, cows, chickens, pigs, etc.). This art

Yup. It’s also pretty obvious that eugenics would work since it works just fine across plenty of other species (see dogs, cows, chickens, pigs, etc.). This article is the identity politics monstrosity coming to take more control.

dekhn 7y ago
I wouldn't use the term "eugenics" for that; I'd use the term "breeding". Part of the problem is that the eugenicists got their scientific breeding ideas mixed up with their nonscientific racism ideas. And I think suggesting that people do human breeding for desired traits would probably still be fairly unpopular.
- creddit 7y ago
  Agreed to both parts. I think my post is still in some sense a refutation of the selected quote in the parent.
- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  > And I think suggesting that people do human breeding for desired traits would probably still be fairly unpopular. Not necessarily; Yao Ming seemed to be pretty popular.
  - dekhn 7y ago
    That's... not really breeding in the scientific sense. Yes, having two tall parents means you're likely to be tall (height is highly heritable), but actual breeding would involve statistical populations, because nearly all traits of interest are non-mendelian, and come from effects from a wide range of genes. And also, it seems probably that you would also have to select against negative traits (for example, breeding very tall people -> all sorts of disorders).
    - thaumasiotes 7y ago
      > That's... not really breeding in the scientific sense. ...because? He comes from an intentional breeding program on the part of the Chinese government. What more do you want? There's a big difference between "what are we doing?" and "how much are we doing it?".
Sorry_Rum_Ham 7y ago
Imagine being an actual person that thinks eugenics should happen lmao. >since it works just fine across plenty of other species (see dogs, cows, chickens, pigs, etc.). Oh, this again. https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12052-019-0109-y https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.118...

dekhn 7y ago

I wouldn't use the term "eugenics" for that; I'd use the term "breeding". Part of the problem is that the eugenicists got their scientific breeding ideas mixed up with their nonscientific racism ideas. And I think suggesting that people do human breeding for desired traits would probably still be fairly unpopular.

creddit 7y ago
Agreed to both parts. I think my post is still in some sense a refutation of the selected quote in the parent.
thaumasiotes 7y ago
> And I think suggesting that people do human breeding for desired traits would probably still be fairly unpopular. Not necessarily; Yao Ming seemed to be pretty popular.
- dekhn 7y ago
  That's... not really breeding in the scientific sense. Yes, having two tall parents means you're likely to be tall (height is highly heritable), but actual breeding would involve statistical populations, because nearly all traits of interest are non-mendelian, and come from effects from a wide range of genes. And also, it seems probably that you would also have to select against negative traits (for example, breeding very tall people -> all sorts of disorders).
  - thaumasiotes 7y ago
    > That's... not really breeding in the scientific sense. ...because? He comes from an intentional breeding program on the part of the Chinese government. What more do you want? There's a big difference between "what are we doing?" and "how much are we doing it?".

Sorry_Rum_Ham 7y ago

Imagine being an actual person that thinks eugenics should happen lmao. >since it works just fine across plenty of other species (see dogs, cows, chickens, pigs, etc.). Oh, this again. https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12052-019-0109-y https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.118...