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What do the healthcare workers actually do while caring for these people? Is this something that actually requires significant medical knowledge? What does arr

What do the healthcare workers actually do while caring for these people? Is this something that actually requires significant medical knowledge? What does arrest mean? Is that cardiac arrest? Is that how people are dying? If they’re dying and people aren’t attending, should they even be there at all?

sciinfo 7y ago
Most severe cases require trained medical staff. Since ~20% of infections requires hospitalization, no healthcare system is prepared for an exponential rise in SARS-CoV-2 infections. Most fatalities are from pneumonia. Lots of details are available all over. You may want to read up.
- kaiabwpdjqn 7y ago
  My point is that medical staff are trained to respond to many things. Training newbies to respond to one thing would probably be easy and fast. Especially if most people just need fluids, oxygen, and aspirin. Burning out doctors to maximize survival rates up front is... bad
  - cstejerean 7y ago
    If all you needed is something that a person with no training could handle they’d send you home and have a family member care for you.
    - kaiabwpdjqn 7y ago
      well it’s a good thing I didn’t suggest that
  - nradov 7y ago
    Aspirin isn't an effective treatment.
    - kaiabwpdjqn 7y ago
      what is the treatment then?
      - nradov 7y ago
        Same treatments as usual for pneumonia, acute respiratory distress syndrome, and sepsis.
  - drchiu 7y ago
    It isn’t that easy to train someone to handle medical emergencies. They don’t typically fall into the same “path”. As well there’s a technical skill component that takes a while to master due to variations in person-to-person anatomy. Took me about 8-10 real live intubations in life or death emergency situations (not training where I had all the time in the world) to feel comfortable enough to be unsupervised.
- irq11 7y ago
  The numbers out of Korea are nowhere near 20%. About 0.9% of cases are considered severe, according to the most recent statements from the KCDC: https://m.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20200307046000017?fbclid=IwAR0tlUn13ecTUVM8T9V54Rrq68rxyIJ7WLP5rW4esaMtjCuS78y5MPFKG7s https://m.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20200307046000017?fbclid=IwAR0tl... Someone is exaggerating, or something is fundamentally inadequate about the Italian response.
  - flukus 7y ago
    > The numbers out of Korea are nowhere near 20%. About 0.8% of cases are considered severe. 0.7% have died, and even that's gone up in the last few days as more cases progress. I don't know the specific stats of how many were severe/critical but it's probably much higher than the mortality rate. If you take a look at the age breakdown of the infected it seems they've been good about keeping it away from the elderly, <2000 out of 7000+ cases have been 60+ years old: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_South_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_S...
    - irq11 7y ago
      There’s a link, right there in my post, with more recent and relevant data than you’re citing, and it is directly from the Korean health services: 59 / 6767 confirmed cases were severe or critical in Korea at the time of the report. That’s a rate of 0.89% The error bars on that estimate certainly encompass 1-2%, but they don’t span to 20%. Either Korea is doing something fundamentally different, or the 20% number is wrong. I strongly suspect that OP simply took the “80% of cases are minor” stat, subtracted from 100%, and concluded that 20% are therefore hospitalized. This method is wrong.
      - flukus 7y ago
        Google translate says: > "23 people in severe stage and 36 people in serious stage". Which is a current snapshot, not a total of the cases that have been severe/serious. It seems like they've done pretty well at keeping it away from the elderely where the fatality rate increases dramatically: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_South_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_S...
genev 7y ago
Arrest means either cardiac arrest or respiratory arrest.

sciinfo 7y ago

Most severe cases require trained medical staff. Since ~20% of infections requires hospitalization, no healthcare system is prepared for an exponential rise in SARS-CoV-2 infections. Most fatalities are from pneumonia. Lots of details are available all over. You may want to read up.

kaiabwpdjqn 7y ago
My point is that medical staff are trained to respond to many things. Training newbies to respond to one thing would probably be easy and fast. Especially if most people just need fluids, oxygen, and aspirin. Burning out doctors to maximize survival rates up front is... bad
- cstejerean 7y ago
  If all you needed is something that a person with no training could handle they’d send you home and have a family member care for you.
  - kaiabwpdjqn 7y ago
    well it’s a good thing I didn’t suggest that
- nradov 7y ago
  Aspirin isn't an effective treatment.
  - kaiabwpdjqn 7y ago
    what is the treatment then?
    - nradov 7y ago
      Same treatments as usual for pneumonia, acute respiratory distress syndrome, and sepsis.
- drchiu 7y ago
  It isn’t that easy to train someone to handle medical emergencies. They don’t typically fall into the same “path”. As well there’s a technical skill component that takes a while to master due to variations in person-to-person anatomy. Took me about 8-10 real live intubations in life or death emergency situations (not training where I had all the time in the world) to feel comfortable enough to be unsupervised.
irq11 7y ago
The numbers out of Korea are nowhere near 20%. About 0.9% of cases are considered severe, according to the most recent statements from the KCDC: https://m.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20200307046000017?fbclid=IwAR0tlUn13ecTUVM8T9V54Rrq68rxyIJ7WLP5rW4esaMtjCuS78y5MPFKG7s https://m.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20200307046000017?fbclid=IwAR0tl... Someone is exaggerating, or something is fundamentally inadequate about the Italian response.
- flukus 7y ago
  > The numbers out of Korea are nowhere near 20%. About 0.8% of cases are considered severe. 0.7% have died, and even that's gone up in the last few days as more cases progress. I don't know the specific stats of how many were severe/critical but it's probably much higher than the mortality rate. If you take a look at the age breakdown of the infected it seems they've been good about keeping it away from the elderly, <2000 out of 7000+ cases have been 60+ years old: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_South_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_S...
  - irq11 7y ago
    There’s a link, right there in my post, with more recent and relevant data than you’re citing, and it is directly from the Korean health services: 59 / 6767 confirmed cases were severe or critical in Korea at the time of the report. That’s a rate of 0.89% The error bars on that estimate certainly encompass 1-2%, but they don’t span to 20%. Either Korea is doing something fundamentally different, or the 20% number is wrong. I strongly suspect that OP simply took the “80% of cases are minor” stat, subtracted from 100%, and concluded that 20% are therefore hospitalized. This method is wrong.
    - flukus 7y ago
      Google translate says: > "23 people in severe stage and 36 people in serious stage". Which is a current snapshot, not a total of the cases that have been severe/serious. It seems like they've done pretty well at keeping it away from the elderely where the fatality rate increases dramatically: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_South_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_S...

genev 7y ago

Arrest means either cardiac arrest or respiratory arrest.