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> Apple Developer Enterprise Program should only be used to distribute apps within a company. As much as I dislike the privacy invasive things that Clearview i
by cantrevealname 7y ago
> Apple Developer Enterprise Program should only be used to distribute apps within a company.
As much as I dislike the privacy invasive things that Clearview is doing, I don’t like Apple’s power to ban people from running whatever software they want if they’re not using the App Store or asking for endorsement or review by Apple. If you’re distributing your software privately and independently of Apple (i.e., not through the App Store), then you should be able to do whatever you want. We don’t want a world where car companies get to disable your car if you carried something in your car that they didn’t like.
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- DenisM 7y agoSome people like their orderly walled gardens, some don’t like them. You may not like the iPhone but I don’t see why you want to deny that to others? Surely they can decide for themselves.
- moojd 7y agoHow does having the ability to personally opt out of the walled garden prevent others from staying in the garden? You may not want to opt out of the garden but I don't see why you would want to deny that the others? Surely they can decide for themselves.
- chadcmulligan 7y agowell, I can see an argument against this. Non tech user sees an app they want, they download it, app says you have to do this and this, OK the user says, and they've just opened their phone to everything. This has already been abused with simple things like location and microphone, with people giving apps access to everything. I think the current solution is sub optimal, but I like having the security on my iPhone to download anything and be fairly confident it won't send all my details to some credit acrd number collecting hacker.
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- FireBeyond 7y agoThis is a (unpleasant) app that can only be installed on devices which this company already has full device control of. We aren’t talking about your security from unwittingly downloading something nefarious. This is no different from you writing a pornhub app on your own iOS device using your own developer account and Apple reaching in and saying “nuh uh, not on our, I mean your device”...
- anoncake 7y agoBut that's okay! People are allowed to make stupid decisions. Can we stop treating non-technical users like children please?
- DenisM 7y agoFair enough. Your snark is unwarranted though.
- sigzero 7y agoThen don't use an iPhone? If you're in the DEP, you know there are rules. Don't like them? Don't join.
- threeseed 7y agoApple is merely treating the phone like a console. I can't play third party games on my PS4 or Switch. Nor can I run add third party apps to my car, TV or microwave. And given how many companies want to use the iPhone for nefarious means I like the fact that Apple is looking after me. Many other users feel the same.
- toxik 7y agoWhich is similarly unacceptable, you own it, you decide what runs on it. Madness that it could ever come to this.
- DenisM 7y agoI own it, and I delegated it to Apple to decide what can run on it.
- anoncake 7y agoNo, you didn't. Else you could stop "delegating".
- ASalazarMX 7y agoMore like accepted their terms. You can't delegate what isn't yours to begin with.
- pdkl95 7y agoYou could still delegating the decision to Apple without restricting other people use of their general purpose computer[1] if Apple simply ran a curation service. Your choice to only use apps that have Apple's stamp of approval doesn't require forbidding other people from making a different choice. A curation service that forbids people from using competing services (or making their own decisions without any curator) is a monopolist trying to control a new market. edit: [1] https://boingboing.net/2012/08/23/civilwar.html https://boingboing.net/2012/08/23/civilwar.html
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- Klonoar 7y agoOn the other hand, something like this means that the app itself can be rendered moot. There is a power there that may be worth having - it's all a balancing act.
- epanchin 7y agoI feel comfort knowing I have to try very hard to install non approved apps. If anyone can distribute their own software through their own channels, surely people are going to be tricked into downloading it without understanding the consequences. If you want flexibility, don’t buy an iPhone. Simple.
- nradov 7y agoDevelopers who don't want to go through the App Store can release source code to their customers and then those customers can compile and install it themselves. This is obviously unreasonable for consumer apps but will work fine for enterprise customers.
- ultrarunner 7y agoFor seven days, unless that’s changed.
- scarface74 7y agoOr developers can not write iOS apps and only support Android and they have all of the “freedom” they want.
- travisgriggs 7y agoI agree. But the enterprise program IS using the App Store. An enterprise distribution just sets up a virtual App Store within the larger App Store. It's still a service that Apple provides that comes with a business agreement and terms of service (that these terms may be ethically uncool is an orthogonal point that we both probably agree on). No one is stopping Clearview from hosting their code on GitHub with a Readme.md that makes it clear how to download XCode, and how to build an install the app on their own phone. Not even Apple.
- jtvjan 7y agoNo, it isn't using the app store. A company rents an enterprise certificate from Apple for $299/year. The company can then sign as many apps as they want using that certificate, and distribute the apps through MDM, itms-services links or manually using IPA files installed with iTunes. Apple can remotely revoke these certificates. However, Apple does not know which apps are being signed, unless they are informed through (in this case) the media.
- plandis 7y agoWhat does disabling the app actually mean in this context? I don’t think it’s unreasonable if Apple is preventing them from using Apple owned toolchains / software / any signing that Apple provides. Can they, in theory, opt out of the Apple ecosystem entirely, root the phone and develop their own software outside of Apple entirely?
- manicdee 7y agoWhereas I from the Curated Garden fanclub want the ability to wander through the garden to enjoy the scenery and eat the fruit without having to understand the first thing about gardening, or how to identify fruit that are not safe to eat (the gardener does that) or which plants aren’t safe to touch (gardener takes care of not letting dangerous plants into the garden). Does this mean that certain attractive but dangerous plants will be excluded from the garden? Yes, but that is by design. If you want to bear the risk of toxic fruit and poisonous plants and feel that you can do as good a job as my gardener, go ahead and build your own garden. I won’t visit because I do my care for spending time to distinguish grass that is safe to lay on from grass that will poison me.