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The $35 Raspberry Pi 4 now comes with double the RAM
- sigjuice 7y agoThe 1 GB model is still selling for $35. EDIT: From the original announcement https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/new-price-raspberry-pi-4-2gb/ https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/new-price-raspberry-pi-4-2g... What about the 1GB product? In line with our commitment to long-term support, the 1GB product will remain available to industrial and commercial customers, at a list price of $35. As there is no price advantage over the 2GB product, we expect most users to opt for the larger-memory variant.
- pulse7 7y agoThis is most probably for those who need exactly the same configuration they already use in production.
- wincy 7y agoThe 1GB model is $30 on Adafruit right now, and $35 for the 2 GB model. https://www.adafruit.com/product/4292 https://www.adafruit.com/product/4292
- jacobush 7y agoThere are various ways of clearing inventory, one is to let it sit a long time on the shelves and selling it for more money for those who want the older version, another is to lower the prices and get rid of it ASAP. Both have merit.
- klingonopera 7y agoAnd that then depends on the price per area of storage that you pay. I've always wondered who buys old Pentium 3s for thousands of dollars on eBay, but yeah... it can make sense, especially if that computer runs a factory machine or something, and just needs a quick replacement part. EDIT: ...otherwise wildly overpriced items on eBay are because trader has run out of stock, wants to keep the same product page, but doesn't want anybody to buy in the meantime. They do this, because items have rankings for which appears first.
- syntheticnature 7y agoIt's always worth checking the 'sold' listings to see what prices actually sell. Sometimes they do regularly sell at the inflated price, but often they don't.
- ryanmercer 7y ago>I've always wondered who buys old Pentium 3s for thousands of dollars on eBay People trying to build their vintage dream machine mostly I suppose. Folks like LGR on YouTube [0] to some degree will pay more than one would expect for a specific piece of hardware and people building private collections in general. That Nintendo-Playstation prototype unit is currently going for 300,000 USD [1] right now at auction (and I believe Palmer Luckey is still the high bidder, he was a couple weeks ago per his Twitter). I've paid an obscene (to me based on my income) amount for vintage tech before, as well as other things that I collect ( for example 3x spot price for an ugly silver art bar that most people would only pay spot for because that specific variety of art bar has significance to us old time members of /r/silverbugs and I wanted a second one). I mean, remember when Bezos spent more money than most people make in their lifetime to salvage an F1 engine from Apoloo 11 from the ocean floor? [3] [0] https://www.youtube.com/user/phreakindee/about https://www.youtube.com/user/phreakindee/about [1] https://comics.ha.com/itm/video-games/nintendo/nintendo-play-station-super-nes-cd-rom-prototype-sony-and-nintendo-c-1992/a/7224-93060.s?ic4=GalleryView-ShortDescription-071515 https://comics.ha.com/itm/video-games/nintendo/nintendo-play... [3] https://www.space.com/37830-jeff-bezos-apollo-rocket-engines-recovery.html https://www.space.com/37830-jeff-bezos-apollo-rocket-engines...
- rubyn00bie 7y agoThe whole space.com article (3 from above) about Bezos was worth it just for the part about the boat's captain: > "And I took my parents with me. My mom was the only woman in this group of 60 men on this boat," Bezos said. > He added that the Norwegian boat captain advised Bezos when he boarded the boat that he had removed all the pornography, "out of respect" to Bezos' mother. > "OK, thank you," Bezos told the captain.
- labawi 7y ago
- luckylion 7y agoClickbait. It's "you can now get the 2gb version for $35, which was/is the price point for the 1gb version", not "raspberry pi now has double the RAM".
- kylec 7y agoThe title is exactly correct, the Raspberry Pi 4 that costs $35 does come with double the RAM now. The title doesn't say anything about any other price point configurations.
- luckylion 7y agoThat's right, it's technically correct. And I'm sure that it's written that way to be technically correct while suggesting that they doubled the RAM of the raspberry pi. That's clickbait.
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- inetknght 7y ago> It's "you can now get the 2gb version for $35, which was/is the price point for the 1gb version", not "raspberry pi now has double the RAM". Yeah, I was expecting an 8GB model :'(
- yjftsjthsd-h 7y agoThat would be pretty fun. Weird, of course, since I still think of the Pi as a "small" computer in terms of resources as well as size, and I've got laptops with 4GB of RAM... of course, in a world where some phones are about to hit 16GB of RAM, maybe my kit is just obsolete;)
- znpy 7y agoon a sidenote, ram on laptops has been steady a bit too much imho. we're stuck on 8/16 gb since quite a while. higher end models are starting to show up with 64gb, but to me it seems that it's kinda of an artificial limitation.
- kstrauser 7y agoI have an RPi4 as a home server now. It's not a supercomputer, but it has plenty of oomph to host my IMAP email and other related stuff. The onboard storage is super-slow, though, so you'd definitely want some faster external stores (I use NFS to my Synology).
- syedkarim 7y agoWhat do you mean by onboard storage? It uses microSD for storage, right?
- jacobush 7y agoYeah. I use a Raspberry 2 for my mail server, but I use an SSD in a USB enclosure for mail spool. It's also faster, but above all, it's more robust than SD cards.
- Fnoord 7y agoUSB on all Raspberry Pi below 4 is capped at 480 mbit/sec due to it being USB2. Pi 4 has USB3, but it can interfere with 2.4 GHz signals.
- kstrauser 7y agoEven the USB2 speeds are overkill for most server stuff, where you're more commonly making a bunch of small random accesses than long streaming reads or writes. Not that you can't, but most people are going to be running things like Wordpress or other relatively lightweight services on an RPi.
- cptskippy 7y agoUSB2 is still faster than all but V90 class MicroSD cards. And V90 cards are only rated for 90MB/s writes, not reads. Even if you had a UHS-III V90 A2 card, a USB2 SSD is going to give you 10x the IOP/s performance.
- avgDev 7y ago
- kylec 7y agoMore importantly, it also comes with a USB-C fix! https://betanews.com/2020/02/27/raspberry-pi-4-double-ram-usbc/ https://betanews.com/2020/02/27/raspberry-pi-4-double-ram-us...
- LeonM 7y agoOriginal article source: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/21/pi_4_fixed/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/21/pi_4_fixed/ We asked Upton this week if the fix was out and he confirmed the update had indeed been rolled into a PCB Design for Manufacturing (DFM) process. He added that he would have expected the update "to have reached end users by now".
- MikusR 7y agoThere are versions of Raspberry pi 4 with the fix, but it is possible that these discounted ones don't have it yet. In a recent interview they mentioned that they expected majority of sold RPI4s to be the 2GB version. I think they simply overmanufactured those and that led to the price drop.
- makomk 7y agoYeah, the fixed version people have been seeing in the wild is the 4GB, which is the one that had more demand than expected and was out of stock a lot of the time.
- wnevets 7y agoHow do I know if what I'm buying has it?
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- kristianp 7y agocat /proc/cpuinfo > If the revision reads “c03112” that means you are the lucky owner of a Raspberry Pi 4 Rev 1.2 board. From https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/02/24/raspberry-pi-4-rev-1-2-fixes-usb-c-power-issues-improves-sd-card-resilience/ https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/02/24/raspberry-pi-4-rev-1...
- jandrese 7y agoI assume this means they're going to stop producing the 1GB version? Or is there some reason to opt for it still? Lower power consumption maybe? Still, it seems like 99% of users are going to opt for the one that has double the memory at the same price.
- wincy 7y agoAt least right now looks like some places [0] are selling the 1GB for $30. Maybe until stock runs out. [0] https://www.adafruit.com/product/4292 https://www.adafruit.com/product/4292
- sjs382 7y ago"In line with our commitment to long-term support, the 1GB product will remain available to industrial and commercial customers, at a list price of $35. As there is no price advantage over the 2GB product, we expect most users to opt for the larger-memory variant."
- paulmd 7y agoOften this means that the older/smaller RAM chip has been discontinued or production has decreased enough that it is now more expensive than the bigger chip. Example: this was the driving force behind the AMD R9 390/390X launch. Supply of the old 4 Gb modules was drying up and it was actually cheaper to switch to 8 Gb modules.
- gmiller123456 7y agoSeems like that would only explain an increase in the 1Gb version. The only reasons for a price drop in the 2Gb version is that it either got cheaper to make it, or the market told them $45 was too high and they had to cut their profit margin. IMHO, $10 for an extra 1Gb of RAM is pretty excessive. So I'm glad to see the market (probably) has spoken.
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- cs02rm0 7y agoBecause of falling RAM prices, but no price cut for the one with even more RAM?
- AgloeDreams 7y agoYeah I saw that and was like, 'a 2GB Pi 4 is $35 but a 4GB Pi 4 is $55? That's most of the way to buying two 2Gb Pi 4s'
- Fnoord 7y agoThat one probably sells like hot cake. There have been shortages on it for a long time since release.
- kstrauser 7y agoConsider here that the RAM is part of the SoC and not a discrete part. They can't take an RPi board and slap a larger RAM chip on it.
- colechristensen 7y agoIs it not the stacking ram that's soldered to the top of the SoC?
- Narishma 7y agoThat's not the case on the Raspberry Pi 4. RAM is a separate chip that sits next to the SoC.
- kstrauser 7y agoHuh, maybe you're right. I was sure it was part of the SoC but it looks like that's not the case.
- nimbius 7y agoDoes it still have thermal problems?
- tryptophan 7y agoI bought it on release, and use it as a home server. It idles around 46. Doesn't seem too hot to me. If you want graphs you can check here https://ci0s.xyz/api https://ci0s.xyz/api I just leave it sitting on a shelf near router. No fans or heatsinks.
- josteink 7y agoWhat do you use to generate that page? Any standard off-the-shelf software?
- tryptophan 7y agoI wanted to try my hand at webdev. Its a custom built flask/gunicorn server serving matplotlib generated graphs with bootstrap css.
- grovellogic 7y agoDefine thermal problems? They get warm, but newer firmware seems to do much better than the first ones.You could just add a fan and not worry about it.
- opless 7y agoMy early version one (4Gb version), was terrible. I had to buy a fan (thank pimoroni) to stop it thermal throttling. It was quite poor in performance (youtube tearing a lot, usb keyboard issues, freezing occasionally) I hope when I plug it in again and update it, things will have stabilised a bit.
- vardump 7y agoI also had an early 4 GB model (well, two of them), and parent post is absolutely correct about initial thermal issues — it was running hot and throttling very heavily. Later firmware releases improved things a lot.
- totiousti 7y agoI use the 1gb as a public facing webserver. working super fine.
- sriram_sun 7y agoSo if I order the 2GB version I can be assured that it would be the one with the USB-C fix. Is that correct?
- mattl 7y agoNo, there are two 2GB versions.
- ajaxguy 7y agoWould like to know if there are any cool projects with RPI for elementary kids, just to get them understand the importance of these mini computers. Hope they can pick up light programming too with this. Any pointers please.
- wang_li 7y agoIt doesn't exist, afaik, but a Rocky's Boots would be a nice thing to have on a pi.
- flatiron 7y agoWhat do your kids like to do? Any chance you could integrate a computer with it? My daughter loves to cook and dance and I haven’t found a way to integrate that with computers but she’s happy so I haven’t pressed it.
- eli 7y agoYou could hook it up to some midi instruments
- mixmastamyk 7y agoI tried that, the delay was too high to the synth. Not sure how to fix it.
- myhf 7y agoRoboCup Junior OnStage is a good example of integrating dance with computers. You can program sensors to detect triggers from humans and respond by moving props into place. There's a lot of freedom to choose what type of sensors, computers, and actuators to use. Search for videos of RoboCup OnStage to see some examples.
- MarcScott 7y agohttps://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/projects?hardware%5B%5D=raspberry-pi https://projects.raspberrypi.org/en/projects?hardware%5B%5D=...
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- dboreham 7y agoThis article is super-confusing. You have been able to buy 4G Pi4's for a while. What the article is reporting is actually a price decrease in the smaller capacity 2G variant.
- flamtap 7y agoThanks for pointing this out. I literally bought a Pi4 yesterday to set up a Pi-Hole on, and I was choked when I read this headline!
- stan_rogers 7y agoNot especially, no. The core product is the $35 computer, and has been since Raspberry Pi began. That product, the $35 Raspberry Pi, now has 2GB of RAM. Yes, other configurations are available, including the previous core product if there's a reason why you'd want the 1GB version.
- p1necone 7y agoThe article seems to suggest that the 4gb model has been outselling the $35 one.
- stan_rogers 7y agoThat doesn't change anything. The RPi is all about the price point. Yes, you can get other configurations, but the whole point of the Foundation is that $35 (or cheaper) machine - an affordable computer, built to a specific price point, with the aim of putting a "tinkering" computer into the hands of as many kids (and interested adults) as possible. It's nice that people are buying the things for various more mundane purposes, as that sort of subsidizes the main purpose... but the main purpose is still to provide an educational machine at an affordable price, and the $35 price point is a big part of that.
- dguaraglia 7y agoYes, it is. We deal with Raspberry Pis every day at work (for... reasons) and even I had to re-read a couple times to understand what they were talking about. It would've been easier for them to say 'for the same price you paid the original RPi, now you can get an RPi 4 with double the memory the original had and much, much faster processor'.
- alexfromapex 7y agoI am building a cluster of the 4GB RPis with SSD for a personal cloud and so far the 2 I have are awesome
- 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 7y agoHow are you hooking up the SSDs?
- alexfromapex 7y agoUSB to SATA cable and the SATA drives are small enough that they can sit inside the rack I bought for the Pis for now even though I'll eventually have to get them their own rack or something
- mxie-ca 7y agoPlease write up a blog when you have it fully working. I'm mostly interested in which STAT to USB cable you pick. Also power consumption in general :)
- jmb12686 7y agoI haven't written a blog, but I do have a 5 node RaspberryPi cluster running Docker Swarm. The docker stacks and compose files are on GitHub https://github.com/jmb12686/raspi-docker-stacks https://github.com/jmb12686/raspi-docker-stacks Look at the 'gluster' branch for my current active work on clustered persistent storage using SSDs and docker volume plugins. I have setup quite a few GitHub projects for building / publishing multiarchitecture ARM compatible images of open source projects (Elasticsearch, Kibana, CAdvisor, etc). Check them out if interested in running common tools on RaspberryPis.
- Brakenshire 7y agoAnyone have any idea what’s the current state of mainline kernel support for Raspberry Pi?
- colechristensen 7y agoThat happened last year, not sure which models were included but I would believe up to Pi3+
- ynezz 7y agoIt's almost there </sarcasm>: origin git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git rpi https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux.git $ git diff --shortstat origin/linux-4.19.y..rpi/rpi-4.19.y 911 files changed, 321070 insertions(+), 5576 deletions(-) $ git diff --shortstat origin/linux-5.4.y..rpi/rpi-5.4.y 810 files changed, 309964 insertions(+), 2518 deletions(-) $ git diff --shortstat origin/linux-5.5.y..rpi/rpi-5.5.y 820 files changed, 308669 insertions(+), 2420 deletions(-)
- 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 7y agoThis thing desperately needs and m.2 slot. I can’t handle doing anything on an SD card. The write speeds are horrendous.
- hornbaker 7y agoAnyone know if the Pi will work with a Chameleon3 USB3 camera from flir.com? If anyone has computer vision coding experience with a setup like this, pls email me (profile), contract opp potentially.
- dguaraglia 7y agoApparently that camera is compatible with v4l2 ("video for Linux 2") so it should work just fine on the RPi 4 provided you have the right cable. Here's a thread where some people discuss using it and similar cameras on the ODroid (which would use the same Linux subsystem): https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?t=6259 https://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?t=6259
- jccooper 7y agoI think the Pi4 has a better USB stack, but the Pi3 has some stability problems with USB peripherals. I eventually (with the right boot parameters) got a Pi3 to run OpenCV on a webcam without occasionally locking up; the PiZero still occasionally chokes on a USB sound card for me. It'll probably work, but audio hats (using I2S) or a camera using the dedicated camera bus are more reliable, though more limited than USB peripherals.
- vardump 7y agoIt'd be amazing if Raspberry Pi Foundation managed to make a model with 64-bit memory bus width instead of current 32-bit wide LPDDR4. RPi4 is heavily memory bandwidth limited. Yeah, I know, cost. One can still wish. Perhaps it'll be feasible for RPi4+ or whatever the next upgrade is called.
- zozbot234 7y ago> RPi4 is heavily memory bandwidth limited. Everything is memory bandwidth limited, given enough clock speed + core count (as is typical in modern systems). One more reason to write optimized code and avoid pointless memory overhead.
- bitwize 7y agoNah fam. It's cool to write your text chat app or graphing calculator in Electron. Moore's Law will totally catch up and people won't miss the hundreds of MiB of RAM it takes up.
- vardump 7y agoJust displaying a still image at 4k @60 Hz consumes 2 GB/s out of mere RPi4's 9.6 GB/s theoretical. Graphics is one of the biggest reasons I'd like more bandwidth.
- znpy 7y agosince we're talking raspberry pis... does anybody know if the rpi4 can netboot?
- Zenst 7y agohttps://hackaday.com/2019/11/11/network-booting-the-pi-4/ https://hackaday.com/2019/11/11/network-booting-the-pi-4/
- kingosticks 7y agohttps://github.com/raspberrypi/rpi-eeprom/blob/master/firmware/raspberry_pi4_network_boot_beta.md https://github.com/raspberrypi/rpi-eeprom/blob/master/firmwa...
- ratiolat 7y agoI wish they'd: 1. Provide standardised way to encrypt the whole disk 2. Support Debian by opening up their hardware so one could use stock debian on it (which would also solve problem 1)
- matheusmoreira 7y agoOpen firmware would be very nice. Looks like these processors need a firmware blob in order to even boot. Seems to be a standard "feature" these days.
- dmitrygr 7y agoiMX6, for example, can boot with no closed blobs at all. vote with your money
- ratiolat 7y agoThanks for the tip! Please provide a link where one can buy such a system which is on par, featurewise, with a raspberry pi 4. The critical features are: 4GiB of ram or more, wifi, bluetooth, 4k hdmi, 2xUSB ports, atleast 2 cores with comparable performance to RPi 4, same ballpark price.
- dmitrygr 7y agonowhere. freedom isn't free you'll pay extra for iMX BUT it is 100% open. you said you wanted that
- wolfgke 7y ago> iMX6, for example, can boot with no closed blobs at all. vote with your money Side question: Are already SBCs with the i.MX8 available that have a price that is suitable for individual customers; let's say: < 250 EUR or USD?
- dmitrygr 7y ago
- ckocagil 7y agoNo, thank you. If I'm going to buy a hobby computer it absolutely shouldn't have a proprietary SoC without a public datasheet. This rules out anything by Broadcom.
- vzcx 7y agoDo you have a recommendation? Rockchip seems ok, with docs open source tools but I wish they were better, and it's still a proprietary SOC, of course.
- squarefoot 7y agoThere are many. The Raspberries are great value for the money as video players, also because of the really good CEC implementation, but for everything else, and I really mean everything else, there are much better powerful or cheap, sometimes both, alternatives. Take a look at this list which is being updated roughly twice a year, and don't miss the downloadable spreadsheet comparison tables. http://linuxgizmos.com/ringing-in-the-new-year-with-136-open-spec-linux-sbcs-under-200/ http://linuxgizmos.com/ringing-in-the-new-year-with-136-open... Those however are the new entries; on manufacturers homepages there are "old" models that are still of interest today. Here are two examples. https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-c2/ https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-c2/ https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=69&product_id=234 https://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&...
- mixmastamyk 7y agoFrom above https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22438082 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22438082
- GloriousKoji 7y agoBut isn't that roughly about EVERY computer? Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, Ti, Apple, Marvell... etc.
- ckocagil 7y agoNo. Even if proprietary, you can find very detailed datasheets and guides to program most of those. Try finding a Broadcom SoC datasheet and you'll quickly understand what I mean. They're protected like nuclear launch codes.
- Joyfield 7y agoAll I want for Christmas is you... nah, a SATA-port or a M2.