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To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth

To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss and surrounding efforts for

karatestomp 7y ago
> To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. Know many teachers?
akeck 7y ago
Most students in my state use gsuite.
- animalnewbie 7y ago
  Fine.i should have said Lowe information users.
an_outsider 7y ago
To quote George Bernard Shaw: “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” Besides, there was a time when the supposedly reasonable thing to do was to use Internet Explorer. I am glad the unreasonable people have consigned it to the waste bin, which is exactly where it belongs.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y ago
  That quote is very illogical. It tries to create a dichotomy where it doesn't really exist. Pretty much everyone tries to adapt the world to themselves (see the use of fire, clothing, air conditioning, fans, etc to try to adapt climate). Also, pretty much everyone adapts themselves to the world (realizing that gravity means you can't jump off of cliffs with no parachute, that you need to eat, that you need oxygen, etc). Progress depends on finding out the right balance of what can be adapted to you, and what you need to adapt to. Finding that balance requires reason. Thus all progress is dependent on the reasonable person.
  - jiggawatts 7y ago
    That quote is so spot on that I'm going to get it printed on a mug. Lets call the adaptive people "Alice", like in cryptography, and use one of your examples at random: Air conditioning. A hundred years ago, if it was too hot Alice just shrugged and didn't do anything about it. She just accepted that "It Is What It Is." Around the turn of the century, one guy, named Willis H. Carrier, decided "enough is enough, I'm going to fix this" and invented modern electric air conditioning machines. These days Alice accepts the new state of things: you can buy air conditioners, and once purchased, you can turn them on. But lets be honest: If Alice had to use a building without air conditioning, or broken air conditioning, there's a snowball's chance in hell that she'll actually do anything about it, despite the ready availability of such devices and specialised tradespeople to fix them. I've regularly visit a government office where 200 people have sat sweating for three years because nobody lifted a finger to I dunno... maybe see what's wrong with the aircon. This observation exactly matches my experience of the world. I'd love to live in your world where most people go out of their way to improve the status quo in novel ways. It would be... magical.
    - steve_gh 7y ago
      Hi, I'm Alicia from the Veneto (Venice if you like). I'd like to point out that we have been living in buildings that don't need air conditioning for 800 years, because our venacular architecture is designed to keep us warm in winter, yet cool in summer.
      - Fnoord 7y ago
        Do you have more info about this architecture? Could it be applied world-wide? Ie. think Japan needs architecture against earthquakes, The Netherlands needs to take floods into account, etc.
        Fradow 7y ago
        Not an expert on the subjet, but what I saw is this: old houses and churches (400+ years) with big stone walls tend to be rather cool in summer (my parents house ground floor always stay under 25°C when properly used, even with temperatures reaching 40°C outside) and have little temperature fluctuation overall (a piano, which is very sensitive to that and need yearly tuning in most places, can stay tuned for 10 years without intervention). I suspect the biggest factor is insulation due to having having a lot of mass that doesn't easily change temperature, but again I'm not an expert. Incidentally, you cannot have it all: this architecture is not cheap, not fast, and isn't designed to withstand earthquakes or floods. But you'll never need air conditionning.
decebalus1 7y ago
wrong bubble, mate. Anyway, aside from the generalizations and name-calling, I kind of agree with you, as someone who used both MS Office and GSuite in a business environment. Probably for the large majority of basic usage, there is no difference but for the type (and size) of stuff I was sometimes forced to deal with, GSuite was severely lacking, leading to frequent frustration and having to do meta-work in order to do my actual work.
Jonnax 7y ago
Right...... Google Docs had real time collaborative editing years before Microsoft. Word online was a piece of crap for years. A decade? This is crazy talk. It's like how people call Microsoft teams good when using it is like loading pages in a Internet Explorer 6 app. Who cares what you saw as an intern? Did they not release it because it was too good for the public?
cosmodisk 7y ago
Not sure why you got downvoted so much, however I agree with the notion that entire Gsuite is a toy for kids to play. Try doing something similar and immediately start looking around thinking: where's my Excel?
- tluyben2 7y ago
  Depends on what you are doing right? Most people use spreadsheets for lists and simple sum() type of things; sheets works fine for that and is convenient. Same for the other gsuite stuff. Those sweeping statements never work; hordes of young people or ‘new computer users’ (people in poorer countries who can now afford tablets and low end laptops etc) never touched MS Office and won’t be thinking ‘where is my Excel?’ only for that reason and just complete their work in sheets. These are often people doing production work and not kids who are playing.
  - C1sc0cat 7y ago
    Depends I have seen young supposedly "digital natives" use lesser tools like the google tools and create a complete Charlie Foxtrots Normally they have zero idea about professional project work the concept of a version controlled document is something they have never heard off And we are talking Major Brands and Major agencies here
    - DailyHN 7y ago
      Does excel version control come anywhere near sheets history feature?
      - C1sc0cat 7y ago
        The entire concept of version control is something that whooshes by them 50,00ft I was talking about having documents in source control vitally important when you may have ,multiple teams in several countries
        7y ago
rajangdavis 7y ago
It's funny you say this because I tried using Excel for basic fitness/nutrition tracking and it wouldn't let me because my Windows 10 license was having issues with Office. I opened up Google Sheets and haven't looked back. I can update any spreadsheet from my phone and it's backed up on my Google Drives account. Would have given Microsoft a chance had they not been so particular about who can use their software. I've used Excel for over a decade and am baffled by how restrictive the licensing has become.

karatestomp 7y ago

> To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. Know many teachers?

akeck 7y ago

Most students in my state use gsuite.

animalnewbie 7y ago
Fine.i should have said Lowe information users.

an_outsider 7y ago

To quote George Bernard Shaw: “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” Besides, there was a time when the supposedly reasonable thing to do was to use Internet Explorer. I am glad the unreasonable people have consigned it to the waste bin, which is exactly where it belongs.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y ago
That quote is very illogical. It tries to create a dichotomy where it doesn't really exist. Pretty much everyone tries to adapt the world to themselves (see the use of fire, clothing, air conditioning, fans, etc to try to adapt climate). Also, pretty much everyone adapts themselves to the world (realizing that gravity means you can't jump off of cliffs with no parachute, that you need to eat, that you need oxygen, etc). Progress depends on finding out the right balance of what can be adapted to you, and what you need to adapt to. Finding that balance requires reason. Thus all progress is dependent on the reasonable person.
- jiggawatts 7y ago
  That quote is so spot on that I'm going to get it printed on a mug. Lets call the adaptive people "Alice", like in cryptography, and use one of your examples at random: Air conditioning. A hundred years ago, if it was too hot Alice just shrugged and didn't do anything about it. She just accepted that "It Is What It Is." Around the turn of the century, one guy, named Willis H. Carrier, decided "enough is enough, I'm going to fix this" and invented modern electric air conditioning machines. These days Alice accepts the new state of things: you can buy air conditioners, and once purchased, you can turn them on. But lets be honest: If Alice had to use a building without air conditioning, or broken air conditioning, there's a snowball's chance in hell that she'll actually do anything about it, despite the ready availability of such devices and specialised tradespeople to fix them. I've regularly visit a government office where 200 people have sat sweating for three years because nobody lifted a finger to I dunno... maybe see what's wrong with the aircon. This observation exactly matches my experience of the world. I'd love to live in your world where most people go out of their way to improve the status quo in novel ways. It would be... magical.
  - steve_gh 7y ago
    Hi, I'm Alicia from the Veneto (Venice if you like). I'd like to point out that we have been living in buildings that don't need air conditioning for 800 years, because our venacular architecture is designed to keep us warm in winter, yet cool in summer.
    - Fnoord 7y ago
      Do you have more info about this architecture? Could it be applied world-wide? Ie. think Japan needs architecture against earthquakes, The Netherlands needs to take floods into account, etc.
      - Fradow 7y ago
        Not an expert on the subjet, but what I saw is this: old houses and churches (400+ years) with big stone walls tend to be rather cool in summer (my parents house ground floor always stay under 25°C when properly used, even with temperatures reaching 40°C outside) and have little temperature fluctuation overall (a piano, which is very sensitive to that and need yearly tuning in most places, can stay tuned for 10 years without intervention). I suspect the biggest factor is insulation due to having having a lot of mass that doesn't easily change temperature, but again I'm not an expert. Incidentally, you cannot have it all: this architecture is not cheap, not fast, and isn't designed to withstand earthquakes or floods. But you'll never need air conditionning.

decebalus1 7y ago

wrong bubble, mate. Anyway, aside from the generalizations and name-calling, I kind of agree with you, as someone who used both MS Office and GSuite in a business environment. Probably for the large majority of basic usage, there is no difference but for the type (and size) of stuff I was sometimes forced to deal with, GSuite was severely lacking, leading to frequent frustration and having to do meta-work in order to do my actual work.

Jonnax 7y ago

Right...... Google Docs had real time collaborative editing years before Microsoft. Word online was a piece of crap for years. A decade? This is crazy talk. It's like how people call Microsoft teams good when using it is like loading pages in a Internet Explorer 6 app. Who cares what you saw as an intern? Did they not release it because it was too good for the public?

cosmodisk 7y ago

Not sure why you got downvoted so much, however I agree with the notion that entire Gsuite is a toy for kids to play. Try doing something similar and immediately start looking around thinking: where's my Excel?

tluyben2 7y ago
Depends on what you are doing right? Most people use spreadsheets for lists and simple sum() type of things; sheets works fine for that and is convenient. Same for the other gsuite stuff. Those sweeping statements never work; hordes of young people or ‘new computer users’ (people in poorer countries who can now afford tablets and low end laptops etc) never touched MS Office and won’t be thinking ‘where is my Excel?’ only for that reason and just complete their work in sheets. These are often people doing production work and not kids who are playing.
- C1sc0cat 7y ago
  Depends I have seen young supposedly "digital natives" use lesser tools like the google tools and create a complete Charlie Foxtrots Normally they have zero idea about professional project work the concept of a version controlled document is something they have never heard off And we are talking Major Brands and Major agencies here
  - DailyHN 7y ago
    Does excel version control come anywhere near sheets history feature?
    - C1sc0cat 7y ago
      The entire concept of version control is something that whooshes by them 50,00ft I was talking about having documents in source control vitally important when you may have ,multiple teams in several countries
      - 7y ago

rajangdavis 7y ago

It's funny you say this because I tried using Excel for basic fitness/nutrition tracking and it wouldn't let me because my Windows 10 license was having issues with Office. I opened up Google Sheets and haven't looked back. I can update any spreadsheet from my phone and it's backed up on my Google Drives account. Would have given Microsoft a chance had they not been so particular about who can use their software. I've used Excel for over a decade and am baffled by how restrictive the licensing has become.