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This headline is not really genuine. The group is definitely fighting big tech, but purely for the benefit of Oracle. They aren't fighting for users, but simply

by soared 7y ago

This headline is not really genuine. The group is definitely fighting big tech, but purely for the benefit of Oracle. They aren't fighting for users, but simply against Google and Amazon, who are Oracle's biggest competitors. Having worked at Oracle, the hatred for Google is very deep. We worked with G only when we had easy money to make, and they did the same. We would get in trouble for using any G product, and could only use G sheets/docs if a client had created it themselves and sent it to us.

NikolaeVarius 7y ago
Is the hate due to relative success? I suppose the API fight probably contributes but I dont think that alone could cause that much
- toyg 7y ago
  Oracle hates everyone, with very rare exceptions. The intensity simply varies depending on degree of success in the markets Oracle targets. They aggressively drop any Microsoft dependency in software they acquire, for example, ever since MS moved in the enterprise-database space.
Apocryphon 7y ago
What alternatives did you use- Microsoft Office for those? Now I'm imaging if Oracle had invested in creating as many competitors for Google products as possible, Samsung-style, even in markets that don't make sense. Back in 2007, Sun had been working on an iPhone/iOS competitor named the jPhone. Imagine if Oracle had ended up continuing their work. Then there'd be two competing smartphone OS's powered by Java. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q2.07/0ADA49EA-93A2-4960-BAAC-2257C9DBD32F.html http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q2.07/0ADA49EA-93A... https://www.informationweek.com/call-it-the-jphone-sun-shows-java-twist-on-apples-iphone/d/d-id/1054925 https://www.informationweek.com/call-it-the-jphone-sun-shows...
- dtech 7y ago
  > Then there'd be two competing smartphone OS's powered by Java. Probably not, there were iOS/Android competitors until not too long ago but they all died: Windows Phone, webOS, Symbian.
  - Apocryphon 7y ago
    It's funny imagining Oracle trying to undercut Google by competing with a half-baked iOS clone made (or rather, bought) by Sun, though. Perhaps they would've kept the fight just so they can hurt G, as they are currently doing now via litigation.
- soared 7y ago
  That is literally what they do. We used OraDocs which is a comically awful version of G sheets/docs or office 360. Oracle has “beehive” a god awful outlook extension that ruins most functionality by taking core features from outlook and forcing them through oracle servers. Rather than sales force for a CRM they have a god awful oracle sales cloud from decades ago with 10% of the functionality. They moved all acquisitions software from AWS to oracles cloud... but oracles cloud couldn’t handle the load and a few had to be temporarily returned to aws. The list goes on.
  - Apocryphon 7y ago
    Sounds like Hooli in HBO's Silicon Valley unintentionally skewered them.
animalnewbie 7y ago
To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss and surrounding efforts for
- karatestomp 7y ago
  > To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. Know many teachers?
- akeck 7y ago
  Most students in my state use gsuite.
  - animalnewbie 7y ago
    Fine.i should have said Lowe information users.
- an_outsider 7y ago
  To quote George Bernard Shaw: “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” Besides, there was a time when the supposedly reasonable thing to do was to use Internet Explorer. I am glad the unreasonable people have consigned it to the waste bin, which is exactly where it belongs.
  - RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y ago
    That quote is very illogical. It tries to create a dichotomy where it doesn't really exist. Pretty much everyone tries to adapt the world to themselves (see the use of fire, clothing, air conditioning, fans, etc to try to adapt climate). Also, pretty much everyone adapts themselves to the world (realizing that gravity means you can't jump off of cliffs with no parachute, that you need to eat, that you need oxygen, etc). Progress depends on finding out the right balance of what can be adapted to you, and what you need to adapt to. Finding that balance requires reason. Thus all progress is dependent on the reasonable person.

by soared 7y ago

NikolaeVarius 7y ago

Is the hate due to relative success? I suppose the API fight probably contributes but I dont think that alone could cause that much

toyg 7y ago
Oracle hates everyone, with very rare exceptions. The intensity simply varies depending on degree of success in the markets Oracle targets. They aggressively drop any Microsoft dependency in software they acquire, for example, ever since MS moved in the enterprise-database space.

Apocryphon 7y ago

What alternatives did you use- Microsoft Office for those? Now I'm imaging if Oracle had invested in creating as many competitors for Google products as possible, Samsung-style, even in markets that don't make sense. Back in 2007, Sun had been working on an iPhone/iOS competitor named the jPhone. Imagine if Oracle had ended up continuing their work. Then there'd be two competing smartphone OS's powered by Java. http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q2.07/0ADA49EA-93A2-4960-BAAC-2257C9DBD32F.html http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q2.07/0ADA49EA-93A... https://www.informationweek.com/call-it-the-jphone-sun-shows-java-twist-on-apples-iphone/d/d-id/1054925 https://www.informationweek.com/call-it-the-jphone-sun-shows...

dtech 7y ago
> Then there'd be two competing smartphone OS's powered by Java. Probably not, there were iOS/Android competitors until not too long ago but they all died: Windows Phone, webOS, Symbian.
- Apocryphon 7y ago
  It's funny imagining Oracle trying to undercut Google by competing with a half-baked iOS clone made (or rather, bought) by Sun, though. Perhaps they would've kept the fight just so they can hurt G, as they are currently doing now via litigation.
soared 7y ago
That is literally what they do. We used OraDocs which is a comically awful version of G sheets/docs or office 360. Oracle has “beehive” a god awful outlook extension that ruins most functionality by taking core features from outlook and forcing them through oracle servers. Rather than sales force for a CRM they have a god awful oracle sales cloud from decades ago with 10% of the functionality. They moved all acquisitions software from AWS to oracles cloud... but oracles cloud couldn’t handle the load and a few had to be temporarily returned to aws. The list goes on.
- Apocryphon 7y ago
  Sounds like Hooli in HBO's Silicon Valley unintentionally skewered them.

animalnewbie 7y ago

To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. And please don't even tell me Google is open. There is no company on Earth which has more lockdown than Google. When I was an intern at Microsoft in 2008 summers, they already had fully functional web based office which was a decade ahead of what was at Google at that time. Google is good only at pr and that's what they use their oss and surrounding efforts for

karatestomp 7y ago
> To be fair, using gsuite is only for hn hipsters. Anybody reasonable uses MS office. Know many teachers?
akeck 7y ago
Most students in my state use gsuite.
- animalnewbie 7y ago
  Fine.i should have said Lowe information users.
an_outsider 7y ago
To quote George Bernard Shaw: “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” Besides, there was a time when the supposedly reasonable thing to do was to use Internet Explorer. I am glad the unreasonable people have consigned it to the waste bin, which is exactly where it belongs.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 7y ago
  That quote is very illogical. It tries to create a dichotomy where it doesn't really exist. Pretty much everyone tries to adapt the world to themselves (see the use of fire, clothing, air conditioning, fans, etc to try to adapt climate). Also, pretty much everyone adapts themselves to the world (realizing that gravity means you can't jump off of cliffs with no parachute, that you need to eat, that you need oxygen, etc). Progress depends on finding out the right balance of what can be adapted to you, and what you need to adapt to. Finding that balance requires reason. Thus all progress is dependent on the reasonable person.