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That's a really confusing name, I was expecting some sort of new VT100 alternative, or maybe a new terminal emulator.

by pi-rat 7y ago

DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
same. instead it's about "dapp" and scammy ethereum smart contract nonsense. > with the overarching goal of helping make Web 3 and a ‘decentralized internet’ a reality. Our initial focus (Terminal V1) was on tools and products related to Ethereum smart contracts and dapps, as that’s what we had previous experience with. But after releasing a few tools and products for Ethereum dapps last year, we started to ask ourselves a deeper question - what even is a dapp?
- Kiro 7y ago
  Don't conflate dapps with scams. I enjoy building small experimental dapps that I just throw out on the blockchain and let people toy around with. No-one is making any money and no-one is in control. Call it art if you will but for me that's an appeal in itself, even if it serves no higher purpose. Another aspect is that I really like the fact that I don't have any responsibilities once it's launched. No servers to take care of or feedback to consider. It's truly decentralized.
  - ithkuil 7y ago
    Could you point to some examples?
  - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
    > Call it art if you will that sounds awesome actually. But then they should label it as such and (like IOTA) go to places like Volkswagen and CISCO and peddle this stuff as "the future" and make fraudulent claims on twitter that these big companies have "already started" building their systems on that nonsense.
    - Kiro 7y ago
      Exactly. Until there's a proven and functional use case for blockchains that will actually help businesses that's just straight-up snake oil. Right now it's an interesting concept but not much more - that's why I classify it as art. All my dapps could just as well have been centralized on a regular server with the same functionality but I put them on the blockchain for fun and experimentation.
- JonAtkinson 7y ago
  I read that paragraph as they have moved on from “scummy Etherium ... nonsense”. We always need convenient monikers for concepts and while “dapp” isn’t the most elegant, it is no worse than “cloud”. The fact that people are putting their creative energies into decentralised technology (which is very much swimming against the current and involves solving many very difficult problems) is to be applauded.
  - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
    seriously, I do applaud the efforts of the p2p community. But the Blockchain/ETH/IOTA/whatever crowd isn't creating anything that works. The more serious people in academia who are working on it dismiss critics and they'll tell you "well the tech is still young, and its promises shouldn't be dismissed". That is great but then stop peddling it like it's the best thing since tabbed browsing. As for this specific project ... Before I'll applaud a project that references ETH and talks about "web3" (tHe fUtuRe oF tHE wEb) they should produce something that isn't a scam. There are literally thousands of them: https://cryptoscamdb.org/scams/ https://cryptoscamdb.org/scams/ (filter for ETHEREUM). ETH has shown during the infamous fork that you can't build anything worthwhile based on these systems and their past behavior clearly indicates they took money from people without knowing what they're doing. Fake it till you make it at its finest. All these things are broken not because the tech is flawed but the assumptions that in case something goes wrong the system can self-correct without human intervention. In the smart-contract world "a bug" literally means either total failure of the project (and bankruptcy of the company backing it). Another problem is that the community is so ignorant that they call anyone who criticizes them as shills the same way people in my camp do. They are the anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers of Tech! -> at least until they can proof (not on paper but with real life projects) that this isn't the case.
- flixic 7y ago
  Crypto space if indeed full of scams, due to a poisonous combination of money, hopeful returns, and a degree of anonimity. But I find the concept of dapps fascinating. I could even make a prediction that early dapps might eventually become the longest continuously "running" programs in the world. The VM is simple enough to maintain and port, and there is an incentive to do so. These "smart contracts" might still be executable centuries later.
  - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
    > I could even make a prediction that early dapps might eventually become the longest continuously "running" programs in the world. what do they do? Can you point to some successful use-cases today (other than some kittens) where this might apply? > These "smart contracts" might still be executable centuries later. chances are that there is no such thing as the Internet a few centuries later in the same way the Telegraph is pretty much dead today!
    - TacticalCoder 7y ago
      > what do they do? Can you point to some successful use-cases today (other than some kittens) where this might apply? Nitpicking but ain't collectible card games with proof-of-ownership a use case though? In the Magic The Gathering world (for real physical cards) ensuring that thought-after cards are the real thing is an issue. There are brick and mortars grading companies grading the cards. Then you have to trust the seller you're not getting a swapped-in chinese fake. But another use case I've seen used: fully decentralized messaging, either "pseudonymous" (say tied to a BTC address: there's been a working demo showing on to do this on BTC's lightning network) or fully anonymous messages, using ZK cryptography. In this case you don't know who send a message to whom. You don't even know if it's a message or an amount transferred. And if the cryptographic primitives behind that are broken, we would pretty soon know (price would crash). To me decentralized messaging, fully anonymous using zero-knowledge cryptography primitives, is quite a use case compared to the "we-need-your-phone-number-but-trust-us-our-protocol-and-app-ain't-backdoored-and-we're-not-collecting-any-data" messaging solutions that are out at the moment. But I agree it's a world obviously full of scam. Still: a blockchain is basically a computer: a very slow and bloated one. But it's also an incredibly correct and very hard to hack computer. I think there are valid use cases for a fully decentralized computer running advanced cryptographic primitives like zero-knowledge cryptography. To me fully anonymous decentralized messaging is one (and a badly needed one at that). There are probably others.
- Fnoord 7y ago
  They already hijacked the term "crypto". Perhaps "terminal" is next.
- deweller 7y ago
  Wow. I'm constantly amazed at the tendency to instantly dismiss anything related to cryptocurrency as "scammy". This is a tool to publish websites on IPFS. It will integrate optional web3 (Ethereum) support in the future. Ethereum is not a requirement to use this tool.
  - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
    referencing a scammy project like ETH in a project that the author believes is not a scam doesn't exactly speak for whatever it is they're peddling. Every time I read jargon like Web3 and dapp I am a little sick in my mouth because I know there are people who don't pay so much attention and get easily sucked into the whole nonsense.
    - mikelockz 7y ago
      You think a distributed virtual machine that executes code is scammy? Maybe it can be used for scams by people who are scammers. So is email scammy too? Are telephones scammy? I believe they are all technology and can be used for whatever people want to do with them.
      - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
        instead of your comment it would have been more convincing if you pointed me to the many success cases which I have missed where cryptocurrencies and blockchains have lead to anything other than a scam. Because anything I come across in that domain, I can smell the stink from miles away!
ObsoleteNerd 7y ago
Names in tech are getting more ridiculous every day lately.. but this takes it to a new level.
- russian_raecon 7y ago
  really? does it actually now? are we sitting here complaing that apple is a fruit but a tech company decided to call themselves that!?!?!? edit: sure it's from a different domain, but come on
- joosters 7y ago
  The use of 'Web 3' is also plain stupid. Who declared the current web 'version 2' anyway? Did I miss an upgrade from 1.0 ?
  - russian_raecon 7y ago
    ummm yeah actually you did. google "web 2.0 the social web" and maybe you can catch up :)
  - butterthebuddha 7y ago
    "The term was invented by Darcy DiNucci in 1999 and later popularized by Tim O'Reilly and Dale Dougherty at the O'Reilly Media Web 2.0 Conference in late 2004." [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0 From the same article: "Whether Web 2.0 is substantially different from prior Web technologies has been challenged by World Wide Web inventor Tim Berners-Lee, who describes the term as jargon. His original vision of the Web was "a collaborative medium, a place where we [could] all meet and read and write." On the other hand, the term Semantic Web (sometimes referred to as Web 3.0) was coined by Berners-Lee to refer to a web of content where the meaning can be processed by machines."
    - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
      only the wiki entry you quote has this to say about Web 3.0: On the other hand, the term Semantic Web (sometimes referred to as Web 3.0) was coined by Berners-Lee to refer to a web of content where the meaning can be processed by machines.
laumars 7y ago
Likewise. Even the logo (which is also the favicon) is of a command prompt. I'm not normally one to criticise names but this one is hugely counter-intuitive.
- crtasm 7y ago
  It doesn't come across at those small sizes, but it's a robot head/face: https://blog.terminal.co/static/text-black-face-black-horizontal-c0ee08ed6442dfd3ad694e1179bf5f54.png https://blog.terminal.co/static/text-black-face-black-horizo...
  - laumars 7y ago
    oh wow, you're right. I could have sworn I saw a back screen with a ">_" prompt
jchook 7y ago
"Dapper" might have worked better :)
- miguelmota 7y ago
  There's actually already a popular Ethereum browser extension wallet named 'Dapper' [0] made by Dapper Laps, the team that did CryptoKitties. Do agree that another name would have been better suited. [0] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dapper/pghmmgdinmfblodenlenkcnmndlnffeo?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dapper/pghmmgdinmf...
  - russian_raecon 7y ago
    True. Also I think the term dapp is overplayed. Like we should just be making regular applications that compete with regular applications that happen to be backed by cool new technology. As soon as you say dapp it's like oh yeah because it's on Ethereum right ok cool i'll take a sticker.
    - jchook 7y ago
      "overplayed" is overplayed.

That's a really confusing name, I was expecting some sort of new VT100 alternative, or maybe a new terminal emulator.

by pi-rat 7y ago

That's a really confusing name, I was expecting some sort of new VT100 alternative, or maybe a new terminal emulator.

same. instead it's about "dapp" and scammy ethereum smart contract nonsense. > with the overarching goal of helping make Web 3 and a ‘decentralized internet’ a reality. Our initial focus (Terminal V1) was on tools and products related to Ethereum smart contracts and dapps, as that’s what we had previous experience with. But after releasing a few tools and products for Ethereum dapps last year, we started to ask ourselves a deeper question - what even is a dapp?

Kiro 7y ago
Don't conflate dapps with scams. I enjoy building small experimental dapps that I just throw out on the blockchain and let people toy around with. No-one is making any money and no-one is in control. Call it art if you will but for me that's an appeal in itself, even if it serves no higher purpose. Another aspect is that I really like the fact that I don't have any responsibilities once it's launched. No servers to take care of or feedback to consider. It's truly decentralized.
- ithkuil 7y ago
  Could you point to some examples?
- DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
  > Call it art if you will that sounds awesome actually. But then they should label it as such and (like IOTA) go to places like Volkswagen and CISCO and peddle this stuff as "the future" and make fraudulent claims on twitter that these big companies have "already started" building their systems on that nonsense.
  - Kiro 7y ago
    Exactly. Until there's a proven and functional use case for blockchains that will actually help businesses that's just straight-up snake oil. Right now it's an interesting concept but not much more - that's why I classify it as art. All my dapps could just as well have been centralized on a regular server with the same functionality but I put them on the blockchain for fun and experimentation.
JonAtkinson 7y ago
I read that paragraph as they have moved on from “scummy Etherium ... nonsense”. We always need convenient monikers for concepts and while “dapp” isn’t the most elegant, it is no worse than “cloud”. The fact that people are putting their creative energies into decentralised technology (which is very much swimming against the current and involves solving many very difficult problems) is to be applauded.
- DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
  seriously, I do applaud the efforts of the p2p community. But the Blockchain/ETH/IOTA/whatever crowd isn't creating anything that works. The more serious people in academia who are working on it dismiss critics and they'll tell you "well the tech is still young, and its promises shouldn't be dismissed". That is great but then stop peddling it like it's the best thing since tabbed browsing. As for this specific project ... Before I'll applaud a project that references ETH and talks about "web3" (tHe fUtuRe oF tHE wEb) they should produce something that isn't a scam. There are literally thousands of them: https://cryptoscamdb.org/scams/ https://cryptoscamdb.org/scams/ (filter for ETHEREUM). ETH has shown during the infamous fork that you can't build anything worthwhile based on these systems and their past behavior clearly indicates they took money from people without knowing what they're doing. Fake it till you make it at its finest. All these things are broken not because the tech is flawed but the assumptions that in case something goes wrong the system can self-correct without human intervention. In the smart-contract world "a bug" literally means either total failure of the project (and bankruptcy of the company backing it). Another problem is that the community is so ignorant that they call anyone who criticizes them as shills the same way people in my camp do. They are the anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers of Tech! -> at least until they can proof (not on paper but with real life projects) that this isn't the case.
flixic 7y ago
Crypto space if indeed full of scams, due to a poisonous combination of money, hopeful returns, and a degree of anonimity. But I find the concept of dapps fascinating. I could even make a prediction that early dapps might eventually become the longest continuously "running" programs in the world. The VM is simple enough to maintain and port, and there is an incentive to do so. These "smart contracts" might still be executable centuries later.
- DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
  > I could even make a prediction that early dapps might eventually become the longest continuously "running" programs in the world. what do they do? Can you point to some successful use-cases today (other than some kittens) where this might apply? > These "smart contracts" might still be executable centuries later. chances are that there is no such thing as the Internet a few centuries later in the same way the Telegraph is pretty much dead today!
  - TacticalCoder 7y ago
    > what do they do? Can you point to some successful use-cases today (other than some kittens) where this might apply? Nitpicking but ain't collectible card games with proof-of-ownership a use case though? In the Magic The Gathering world (for real physical cards) ensuring that thought-after cards are the real thing is an issue. There are brick and mortars grading companies grading the cards. Then you have to trust the seller you're not getting a swapped-in chinese fake. But another use case I've seen used: fully decentralized messaging, either "pseudonymous" (say tied to a BTC address: there's been a working demo showing on to do this on BTC's lightning network) or fully anonymous messages, using ZK cryptography. In this case you don't know who send a message to whom. You don't even know if it's a message or an amount transferred. And if the cryptographic primitives behind that are broken, we would pretty soon know (price would crash). To me decentralized messaging, fully anonymous using zero-knowledge cryptography primitives, is quite a use case compared to the "we-need-your-phone-number-but-trust-us-our-protocol-and-app-ain't-backdoored-and-we're-not-collecting-any-data" messaging solutions that are out at the moment. But I agree it's a world obviously full of scam. Still: a blockchain is basically a computer: a very slow and bloated one. But it's also an incredibly correct and very hard to hack computer. I think there are valid use cases for a fully decentralized computer running advanced cryptographic primitives like zero-knowledge cryptography. To me fully anonymous decentralized messaging is one (and a badly needed one at that). There are probably others.
Fnoord 7y ago
They already hijacked the term "crypto". Perhaps "terminal" is next.
deweller 7y ago
Wow. I'm constantly amazed at the tendency to instantly dismiss anything related to cryptocurrency as "scammy". This is a tool to publish websites on IPFS. It will integrate optional web3 (Ethereum) support in the future. Ethereum is not a requirement to use this tool.
- DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
  referencing a scammy project like ETH in a project that the author believes is not a scam doesn't exactly speak for whatever it is they're peddling. Every time I read jargon like Web3 and dapp I am a little sick in my mouth because I know there are people who don't pay so much attention and get easily sucked into the whole nonsense.
  - mikelockz 7y ago
    You think a distributed virtual machine that executes code is scammy? Maybe it can be used for scams by people who are scammers. So is email scammy too? Are telephones scammy? I believe they are all technology and can be used for whatever people want to do with them.
    - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
      instead of your comment it would have been more convincing if you pointed me to the many success cases which I have missed where cryptocurrencies and blockchains have lead to anything other than a scam. Because anything I come across in that domain, I can smell the stink from miles away!

ObsoleteNerd 7y ago

Names in tech are getting more ridiculous every day lately.. but this takes it to a new level.

russian_raecon 7y ago
really? does it actually now? are we sitting here complaing that apple is a fruit but a tech company decided to call themselves that!?!?!? edit: sure it's from a different domain, but come on
joosters 7y ago
The use of 'Web 3' is also plain stupid. Who declared the current web 'version 2' anyway? Did I miss an upgrade from 1.0 ?
- russian_raecon 7y ago
  ummm yeah actually you did. google "web 2.0 the social web" and maybe you can catch up :)
- butterthebuddha 7y ago
  "The term was invented by Darcy DiNucci in 1999 and later popularized by Tim O'Reilly and Dale Dougherty at the O'Reilly Media Web 2.0 Conference in late 2004." [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0 From the same article: "Whether Web 2.0 is substantially different from prior Web technologies has been challenged by World Wide Web inventor Tim Berners-Lee, who describes the term as jargon. His original vision of the Web was "a collaborative medium, a place where we [could] all meet and read and write." On the other hand, the term Semantic Web (sometimes referred to as Web 3.0) was coined by Berners-Lee to refer to a web of content where the meaning can be processed by machines."
  - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
    only the wiki entry you quote has this to say about Web 3.0: On the other hand, the term Semantic Web (sometimes referred to as Web 3.0) was coined by Berners-Lee to refer to a web of content where the meaning can be processed by machines.

laumars 7y ago

Likewise. Even the logo (which is also the favicon) is of a command prompt. I'm not normally one to criticise names but this one is hugely counter-intuitive.

crtasm 7y ago
It doesn't come across at those small sizes, but it's a robot head/face: https://blog.terminal.co/static/text-black-face-black-horizontal-c0ee08ed6442dfd3ad694e1179bf5f54.png https://blog.terminal.co/static/text-black-face-black-horizo...
- laumars 7y ago
  oh wow, you're right. I could have sworn I saw a back screen with a ">_" prompt

jchook 7y ago

"Dapper" might have worked better :)

miguelmota 7y ago
There's actually already a popular Ethereum browser extension wallet named 'Dapper' [0] made by Dapper Laps, the team that did CryptoKitties. Do agree that another name would have been better suited. [0] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dapper/pghmmgdinmfblodenlenkcnmndlnffeo?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dapper/pghmmgdinmf...
- russian_raecon 7y ago
  True. Also I think the term dapp is overplayed. Like we should just be making regular applications that compete with regular applications that happen to be backed by cool new technology. As soon as you say dapp it's like oh yeah because it's on Ethereum right ok cool i'll take a sticker.
  - jchook 7y ago
    "overplayed" is overplayed.