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Definitely the Chinese, simply because their foreign policy is much less violent than that of the US, and they don't try to forcefully export their political an

Definitely the Chinese, simply because their foreign policy is much less violent than that of the US, and they don't try to forcefully export their political and economic system to other countries.

tjpnz 7y ago
Belt and Road Initiative
- env123 7y ago
  Opium wars
  - blaser-waffle 7y ago
    Not the US
    - toohotatopic 7y ago
      But close: >Opium profits funded many leading Boston institutions. Thomas Perkins and a brother helped found Massachusetts General Hospital, left, and Perkins donated one of his homes for a new school that ... https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2017/07/31/opium-boston-history https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2017/07/31/opium-boston-hi...
throwaway17_17 7y ago
Because the fact that China has not engaged in non-local applications of violence, they must be better than the US? That seems to be an amazingly narrow standard, because by that measure any country which carries out atrocities on its own population is 'better' than the US. I understand, even if I may not agree, some individual's dislike of American foreign policy, but to equate America's actions in the last 20 years at a global level with a nation-state which is (according to press reports) imprisoning and potentially torturing and killing those of its own population who meet certain ethnic and demographic criteria seems absent any amount of perspective.
- 80386 7y ago
  > Because the fact that China has not engaged in non-local applications of violence Yet. The PRC has been internationally relevant for a few decades. The US has been internationally relevant practically since its founding. And for whatever reason, people don't think the PRC has continuity with pre-Mao China -- which has been internationally relevant since long before the US existed, and which doesn't have a very nice track record.
  - toohotatopic 7y ago
    In this regard, this submission could be interesting: Who Was Sun Tzu’s Napoleon? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22296312 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22296312 >Millennia later, during the Second World War, Mao Zedong seized on this historical vignette to announce that the Chinese Communist forces would not abide by any political, military, or moral limitations in its fight against the Japanese, stating: “We are not Duke Xiang of Song and have no use for his asinine ethics.”

Definitely the Chinese, simply because their foreign policy is much less violent than that of the US, and they don't try to forcefully export their political and economic system to other countries.

tjpnz 7y ago

Belt and Road Initiative

env123 7y ago
Opium wars
- blaser-waffle 7y ago
  Not the US
  - toohotatopic 7y ago
    But close: >Opium profits funded many leading Boston institutions. Thomas Perkins and a brother helped found Massachusetts General Hospital, left, and Perkins donated one of his homes for a new school that ... https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2017/07/31/opium-boston-history https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2017/07/31/opium-boston-hi...

throwaway17_17 7y ago

Because the fact that China has not engaged in non-local applications of violence, they must be better than the US? That seems to be an amazingly narrow standard, because by that measure any country which carries out atrocities on its own population is 'better' than the US. I understand, even if I may not agree, some individual's dislike of American foreign policy, but to equate America's actions in the last 20 years at a global level with a nation-state which is (according to press reports) imprisoning and potentially torturing and killing those of its own population who meet certain ethnic and demographic criteria seems absent any amount of perspective.

80386 7y ago
> Because the fact that China has not engaged in non-local applications of violence Yet. The PRC has been internationally relevant for a few decades. The US has been internationally relevant practically since its founding. And for whatever reason, people don't think the PRC has continuity with pre-Mao China -- which has been internationally relevant since long before the US existed, and which doesn't have a very nice track record.
- toohotatopic 7y ago
  In this regard, this submission could be interesting: Who Was Sun Tzu’s Napoleon? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22296312 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22296312 >Millennia later, during the Second World War, Mao Zedong seized on this historical vignette to announce that the Chinese Communist forces would not abide by any political, military, or moral limitations in its fight against the Japanese, stating: “We are not Duke Xiang of Song and have no use for his asinine ethics.”