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I mean, this is so far out of my wheel house I can't even claim to know anything about this stuff. But why couldn't a form of an unconscious camera exist? We co

I mean, this is so far out of my wheel house I can't even claim to know anything about this stuff. But why couldn't a form of an unconscious camera exist? We could theoretically just look at pictures of the past from an unconscious camera and therefore never collapse the system?

kadoban 7y ago
I think the idea is that once you look at the picture, that's a mind observing the event. The system "collapses" when it grows big enough that a consequence of it affects you. This should be similar to the idea explored by the Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment.
- TheFiend7 7y ago
  Though we observe the effects of the double slit experiment on the wall with the interference pattern. Thereby not collapsing the system and taking a screenshot of the un-collapsed system? I would argue the wall is an unconscious camera in my example. Because when observed during the experiment, the interference pattern disappears. But not if it's observed after. Secondly, the more and more I re-read the parent comment. The less and less sense it makes. >No conscious mind will ever be able to observe anything about a quantum system that has never been observed by a conscious mind. That isn't really true in concept though, as in my example, we observed a quantum system at play that wasn't observed during its' "execution" so to speak. We literally wouldn't be discussing quantum experiments and quantum experimental phenomena if his statement was "completely" true.
corneliusphi2 7y ago
In looking at the photo you observe the system and collapse it. There is no difference between your eye and the camera. Both connect the quantum system to your conciousness.
roywiggins 7y ago
The camera's unconscious record of the past would just be deemed to exist in an uncertain state until it has been observed by a human. Same if you'd trained a pigeon to watch and report the results.

kadoban 7y ago

I think the idea is that once you look at the picture, that's a mind observing the event. The system "collapses" when it grows big enough that a consequence of it affects you. This should be similar to the idea explored by the Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment.

TheFiend7 7y ago
Though we observe the effects of the double slit experiment on the wall with the interference pattern. Thereby not collapsing the system and taking a screenshot of the un-collapsed system? I would argue the wall is an unconscious camera in my example. Because when observed during the experiment, the interference pattern disappears. But not if it's observed after. Secondly, the more and more I re-read the parent comment. The less and less sense it makes. >No conscious mind will ever be able to observe anything about a quantum system that has never been observed by a conscious mind. That isn't really true in concept though, as in my example, we observed a quantum system at play that wasn't observed during its' "execution" so to speak. We literally wouldn't be discussing quantum experiments and quantum experimental phenomena if his statement was "completely" true.

corneliusphi2 7y ago

In looking at the photo you observe the system and collapse it. There is no difference between your eye and the camera. Both connect the quantum system to your conciousness.

roywiggins 7y ago

The camera's unconscious record of the past would just be deemed to exist in an uncertain state until it has been observed by a human. Same if you'd trained a pigeon to watch and report the results.