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Millions watch live streaming of hospital construction in Wuhan
- jphoward 7y agoDiseases are rivalled only by war in bringing out the best in human creativity and ingenuity.
- hd9 7y agoPure nonsense imho. Everytime there is an epidemic are new 1000 bed hospitals going to be erected overnight? Where the heck are doctors and nurses going to come from? Do they have excess trained people just hanging out at the mall? God knows how many other hospitals and construction projects were thrown into chaos by crews being pulled from all over the place. This is the kind of reaction seen when too much power lies with one guy up the heirarchy and he panics and overrules all his underlings. Wants to give an appearance of solving a problem much more than actually solving it. I have seen this kind of stuff happening at global software crisis centers, where things escalate quickly and some guy up the hierarchy panics. Has too much power and just overrules everyone below. "We have to do something! Right now!!!" Bangs table!!! Underlings without push back obey. Those who do are pushed out and resources are mindlessly pulled from all over and massively squandered. With the PR dept blaring away about decisive leadership. China has all the ingredients for that kind of decision making. The bug will die out in a couple weeks and then this will be a standing monument to how the herd reacts under stress.
- Brave-Steak 7y agoSeemed to have helped the last time they did exactly this. So I don't see it as an overreaction or completely irrational. Reports say that the makeshift hospital they built in record time for SARS in Beijing turned out to treat 1/7th of all the SARS patients at the time. And judging by the projected infection rate numbers, and their medical infrastructure already being stressed so much by a load that it probably wasn't designed to handle, building these hospitals could very well be a good move. > Where the heck are doctors and nurses going to come from? Do they have excess trained people just hanging out at the mall? I'm sure there are regions that aren't facing even remotely the same crisis as Wuhan, where they can divert resources from. It's really not a huge deal. Unless you want to make the claim that all of China is going to succumb to this such that a diversion of resources wouldn't be possible at all? That's a stretch.
- dredmorbius 7y agoThe current hospitals are based on the 2003 design. One reason that they can be constructed so quickly. (I was skeptical myself initially. Looks like it's actually coming together.)
- oefrha 7y ago> Where the heck are doctors and nurses going to come from? Do they have excess trained people just hanging out at the mall? Apparently thousands of medical professionals have already been sent from other provinces. There are millions of medical professionals in China so sending even 1% would be night and day difference locally while not throwing other hospitals into chaos. Throwing other construction projects into chaos? That’s utter nonsense, no normal construction projects would be active during the Chinese New Year period.
- lowdose 7y agoYou definitely have a point but sometimes showing off top-level commitment for a cause can make the difference. The live construction video feed can boost morale significantly by spinning the narrative that actual work gets done .
- blackrock 7y agoWhile you do have some good points, it’s possible that the severity and danger of this virus, required a different approach. Some people in the West suggested to use an existing school or sports stadium, and while this may work in the West, the question is: Does Wuhan even have such a public facility available? Some (unverified) reports were already suggesting that the city’s existing hospitals and facilities were already overburdened. At least something like this could help keep the very sick isolated from the others, and allow them to gracefully recover. Or if they are too far gone, then it would keep them isolated from those that can be saved. I agree, I think this will blow over in a few months, and they’ll get it contained, while they starve out the virus. And that might only have been possible, because the central government mandated the quarantine, which did more to just inform people to keep their distance from others, and to wear protective gear while in public. We’ll see in a few months how effective this all is.
- cheeze 7y agoIs there a link to the live stream? Edit - Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypti_cB0JTc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypti_cB0JTc
- bachhuberdesign 7y agohttp://whuflu.live/ http://whuflu.live/ is another one (for multiple camera views)
- soygul 7y agoHere are the said streams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypti_cB0JTc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypti_cB0JTc https://m.yangshipin.cn/static/2020/c0126.html https://m.yangshipin.cn/static/2020/c0126.html https://m.yangshipin.cn/video?type=2&pid=600016637 https://m.yangshipin.cn/video?type=2&pid=600016637
- tanilama 7y agoOriginal source: https://m.yangshipin.cn/video?type=2&pid=600016643 https://m.yangshipin.cn/video?type=2&pid=600016643
- jiofih 7y agoIt’s very interesting that at this stage it doesn’t look very different from any other construction site: 37 people chatting and walking around while the other 4-5 do some actual work.
- yread 7y agoWhat? Are you looking at the same stream? I see an intensely busy construction site with 10s of trucks and cranes and hundreds of people. It's extending to the right - perhaps you've missed that. Certainly not typical
- donkeyd 7y agoThey commented 30 minutes ago. Things may change in that time frame.
- hasseio 7y agoLinks to the streams; Leishenshan: http://t.cn/A6PIeT14 http://t.cn/A6PIeT14 Huoshenshan: http://t.cn/A6PIYNvD http://t.cn/A6PIYNvD
- edf13 7y agoFascinating how quickly something can be accomplished in an emergency (shortcuts accounted for)
- oefrha 7y agoI can’t help but recall a tiny little <5000 sqft, one story building close to my residence (in the U.S.) that took almost a year to construct a few years ago. Somehow the construction workers managed to show up every weekday, wake me up with construction noise while accomplishing almost nothing...
- mkl 7y agoThis hospital is temporary. It doesn't need to be high quality, because it doesn't need to last, and its purpose is to be better than nothing. Most buildings take longer, because they're intended to last, and because they don't have such enormous crews working on them (which costs a lot). Some of the processes in this live stream don't seem especially safe to my non-expert eye either (I'm thinking of the cranes and diggers quickly moving big heavy swinging things; in NZ I've only seen that done with extra people manning guide cables to keep the movement slow and controlled).
- animal531 7y agoTrue, but from looking at some videos of generic apartment buildings in China the overall building quality seems to be quite poor already.
- koheripbal 7y agoNever underestimate the efficiency gained by completely circumventing the need for permiting, civic reviews, public commentary, funding allocation, bidding, design review, labor negotiation, inspections, regulations, and a zillion other bureaucratic wastes of time.
- abc-xyz 7y agoHuman rights tend to complicate these things. USA and every other developed country would surely be able to achieve the same under similar circumstances. It's worth reading http://chinamediaproject.org/2020/01/27/dramatic-actions/ http://chinamediaproject.org/2020/01/27/dramatic-actions/ and watching https://youtu.be/7OEqybiGdaA https://youtu.be/7OEqybiGdaA for first-hand experience of the incompetence and evilness of their government and how they've been handling the situation.
- fouc 7y ago25M construction site supervisors. Imagine if we could have that for programming ;)
- scarejunba 7y agoHaha, I wish sometimes I could live stream my work. It might be entertaining and I like writing code as people watch.
- fouc 7y agoCheck out https://shipstreams.com https://shipstreams.com , it's basically a community of developers building live on twitch.tv
- jypepin 7y agosome people do already on Twitch. It is sometimes very interesting and sometimes very boring. Not sure what makes the difference. I've always thought trying to do so to, my work would probably allow me only for open source things tho.
- mhh__ 7y agoI wouldn't mind doing that if purely to force myself to actually work in my own time rather than knowledge-magpie over a completely different topic/project e.g. Writing a quick summary of some tactics in the most recent British election -> Writing a C-ish parser???
- trickstra 7y agotry https://www.focusmate.com/ https://www.focusmate.com/
- chippy 7y agoOne main barrier is API Keys, emails, secrets etc. It wouldn't be possible for me to stream my work because of this. I was thinking of making a filter of the video stream which would blur out sensitive strings if it encountered them... I suppose I could just use an offscreen terminal for environment variables and secrets, but it's bound to be leaked at some point.
- scarejunba 7y agoI wonder if it works better if you're just building an offline app.
- pulse7 7y agoWouldn't be dangerous to live in buildings nearby the "coronavirus hospitals"?
- markdown 7y agoNo, it isn't that contagious. You need to be physically very close to someone... they have to be coughing on you, or touching the same door knobs as you.
- dredmorbius 7y agoThe question of waste materials (solid, liquid, and that messy in-between state) could matter. Those would have to be decontaminated. The risks of infected sewage or tissue winding up in muncipal systems, possibly backing up onto streets (or into buildings) would ... not go so well.
- kohtatsu 7y agoI think it's fine with proper controls. I don't think the virus is going to fly out the smoke stacks and infect anyone. Of course getting infected people in can be dangerous if they're just walking themselves to it, or taking a taxi. In Hong Kong there were protests against the gov't using an apartment building of sorts for quarantine, because the building was within 500m of residences. One protester even set fire to the lobby of the building. https://twitter.com/ezracheungtoto/status/1221406982361378817?s=21 https://twitter.com/ezracheungtoto/status/122140698236137881...
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- touringa 7y agoActually, some dude took a fat shit during the SARS epidemic and infected 329 people in other apartments... I think I came across this on HN many, many years ago! https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971211000245#bib0160 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S120197121... From this paper https://europepmc.org/article/med/15737152 https://europepmc.org/article/med/15737152 "The index patient in the second super-spreader outbreak was an individual on hemodialysis for chronic renal failure who had diarrhea and, on two occasions, stayed with his brother in Block E in the Amoy Gardens residential complex.30, 31 Amoy Gardens has 19 residential blocks, with eight apartments on each of the 33 floors.31 In several bathrooms from block E, it was reported that the U-shaped traps linking the vertical drainage pipes, known as risers, to the sanitary fixtures, did not function properly. As a result, when water flowed down, the backflow from the risers was able to generate aerosols and spread pathogens into individual bathrooms. In addition, powerful window fans installed by residents in many bathrooms created a significant negative pressure that amplified the aerosol backflow. In the Amoy Gardens complex outbreak, 329 individuals were infected and 42 died."
- sails 7y agoGuess this might be a candidate for _the list_: https://patrickcollison.com/fast https://patrickcollison.com/fast
- Brave-Steak 7y agoImo, the most interesting part is at the bottom under "What's going on" > The physical infrastructure projects enumerated above occurred before 1970 to a disproportionate degree. Why? Some works containing hypotheses: Is there a Western country where this isn't a problem? Germany has a bunch of engineering projects that are either completely held up/cancelled by red tape or are just mismanaged so badly that the cost overruns and delays can be staggering.
- growlist 7y agoIt would be nice to have some kind of impenetrable bubble to make certain works happen regardless of protest. Some people just want to frustrate any progress.
- fouc 7y agoIt might be nice if the list was in a git repo that people could contribute to
- phreeza 7y agoOr a subreddit
- jpxw 7y agoYeah. I’d like to add HMS Dreadnought (1906). It was the first proper battleship ever built (truly revolutionary), and it was built in one year and one day.
- bathtub365 7y agoYou could just email the owner.
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- jingw222 7y agoBoredom brews greatness.
- rmoriz 7y agoGiven the harsh reactions and the rather low mortality one has to think of other reasons behind that activities. Maybe some detention camp for people low on social credit points.
- dredmorbius 7y agoIs there any sort of timelapse video available?
- dredmorbius 7y agoWhat was on the sites before? Or what was previously planned for them? I'm curious about backstory and disruption here.
- DraftDodger67 7y agoCoronavirus is completely overblown. Regular influenza kills 12,000-61,000 Americans each year. Coronavirus is only deadly to elderly with existing medical problems. Its not worth shutting down the economy over. Reducing this population would also entail a reduction in healthcare and pension expenses, benefiting younger workers.
- ryuukk_ 7y agokilling people isn't issue the issue is, it's yet another widespread virus so not only people have to fight for the constant evolving flu, and now also for this one, on top of every other ones
- ainiriand 7y agoThe whole idea is that you don't need both in countries where it is not present. Using that reasoning: why do you care when malaria kills >300k yearly? We all know the numbers.
- bildung 7y agoLet me guess, you are not part of the demographic you just opted to let die in the name of cost reduction?
- imtringued 7y agoIt's only not deadly because it hasn't spread yet.
- animal531 7y agoWow. Regular flu kills around 300-650k people per year worldwide, but in general it only has a 0.1% mortality rate; and guess what, it also only basically kills the elderly. Now you have a virus with a mortality rate of 2-3%, so it'll kill a lot more people once it begins to spread. The sick people from the coronavirus also needs a lot more medical work and efforts to separate them from the rest of the populace.
- Proven 7y agoIt's cold It's impractical (no go zones, quarantined cities) or risky to go out Can't watch porn or play really fun games because of state censorship The role of private sector in healthcare is limited So yeah - millions are having fun watching poor workers building stuff under duress. Which reminds me - millions watched Obamacare Web site going live when that disaster was unfolding
- kabacha 7y agoThe livestream comments are just fascinating. For some reason live chat brings out the worst in people. It's also amazing how inneficient the whole construction medium is with human resources. Everytime I see construction going I see most of people are literally doing _nothing_ and it's not like their lazy - human resource distribution just sucks.